Jesse,

Pretty cool university there.... Promoting experimentation :) Ideally 
the big pipes there aren't clogged with po*n and wa*ez like here...

With the issue of two servers that need synched and are not local, 
there is that concept of a WAN to review....  private still but 
accessible in a secure manner...

VPN indeed is costly and complex to maintain... 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Houwing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:52:36 +0100
Subject: Re: SQL Worm

> >
> >
> >It would seem that having a local university private subnet would be
> a 
> >good solution.. and also this would cut down on people running un-
> >authorized servers...
> >
> On the University Of Twente (The Netherlands) we are allowed to run
> our 
> own servers, and are even encouraged to do so, as there is a lot to 
> learn from toying around with the different beasts out there.
> 
> >On the router side or NAT you could do port translation and make
> things 
> >further "burried"...
> >
> >In our environments to eliminate this sort of problem, we issue a
> dual 
> >IP... the private ip range say 192.168.1.xxx or one of the other 3 
> >permissible private ranges goes along to the user along with their 
> >public IP...
> >
> >Any App server needing to talk to the database must do so on the
> local 
> >IP segment otherwise it won't work...
> >
> This will work until you have two sql-servers on two locations that
> need 
> to be synchronized. (VPN comes to mind, but not everyone has the
> money 
> or the knowlege to set up such services)
> 
> >I understand that the approach has complexity issues when dealing
> with 
> >fluid usage like your own... The approach does solve a few problems 
> >when perfected... It makes your databases and other key assets non-
> >accessible publically... requiring someone login securely to a
> public 
> >box to access the private resource...
> >  
> >
> If you can live with those restrictions, it is a good solution, but 
> still, if  one of these public boxes wasn't as secure as you thought,
> someone could still break open your complete network. Security is
> only 
> as good as its weakest link.
> 
> Jesse
> 
> 
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