On Sunday, Mar 2, 2003, at 17:07 US/Pacific, samcfug wrote: > Does this mean that we need a Jrun Admin GUI?
You mean the JRun Management Console? It already exists and it's probably the most user-friendly J2EE server admin UI on the market! There cannot reasonably be a link between the two Admin UIs tho' as they run on different 'servers' - they don't both need to be up at the same time. CFMX is installed in a separate server (I use 'cfmx' or 'cfmx1', 'cfmx2' etc) from the JMC (which is pre-installed on the 'admin' server). You can start and stop them independently. You can also configure the JMC to run on a different port so it would be hard to reliably link from CF admin to JMC (unless of course we made users add and update the link manually!) and since JRun isn't always running CFMX, you can't really have it link back to CF Admin... > I still advance the theory that if you want to sell it, you had better > make it > Admin friendly. As I say above, the JMC has been highly praised for its ease of use in the J2EE world. I'd also say that WebLogic and WebSphere (and JRun) admins are already familiar with how to administer their J2EE servers using the tools at hand. Yes, it means that CF admins need to learn a new tool to take advantage of the advanced features in the underlying J2EE server. I don't think that's so unreasonable, do you? > Using Government networks as an example, where network priorities are > clear and > in writing, the programmer/developer is nowhere the top of the access > control > lists. The server Admins are not programmers, not java programmers, > not CF > programmers. They are more focused on Security, intrusion prevention, > and > uptime. That's pretty much the same here at Macromedia but you should expect to have J2EE server-savvy admins if you're basing your infrastructure on J2EE... A Unix / network admin doesn't necessarily have the skills to administer a J2EE server (or a CFMX server for that matter). > Macromedia themselves are another example of what I am trying so hard > to > express. They do not incorporate their own technology on their own > servers > until long after the product has been in the market place and beta > tested by > their customers, if then. Actually we launched a public CFMX server months before the product shipped: http://examples.macromedia.com/ has been powered by CFMX since March 2002. Apart from an Apache upgrade, that server has been running pretty much non-stop since then (it may even still be running the Release Candidate - I don't remember whether we ever upgraded it). The webforums have been running on CFMX for some time (and no one noticed). It was a relatively painless (but very significant) upgrade. We were developing parts of the new macromedia.com on pre-alpha CF software back in October 2001 and providing feedback to the CF team as they developed the software. We've done a lot of R&D over the intervening period, experimenting with approaches and seeing just how far we can push the technology. We will soon be releasing the fruits of our labor, based on CFMX for J2EE, on JRun, using Flash and Flash Remoting. About 120,000 lines of CFML and about 80,000 lines of ActionScript - excluding all our test harness code (close to the same amount again of CF). > Your statement that this represents only 1% of the installations, > absolutely > does not fly. My asserted 1% of 'advanced admin' does not include the multi-homed 'cacheRealPath' configuration as I've already conceded that should be either an install option or accessible via the CF admin. Note, however, that it is clearly called out in the Release Notes! Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog Announcing Macromedia DevNet Subscriptions Maximize your power with our new premium software subscription Find out more: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devnetsubs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
