> How can you say that XML has achieved it's popularity 
> solely on vendor actions? The spec and idea came first; 
> vendor support followed.

There are many specs and many ideas; few make it to fruition and become
useful products. XML is popular because there are a bunch of products that
use XML, and because it embodies a really good idea and does it tolerably
well.

> I think that the circumstances are all different. Standards 
> bodies don't, as a rule ever drive development they, well, 
> standardize it.

That's essentially my argument, in a nutshell. The original post that
started this all off was arguing that standards drove development, if I
recall correctly. My counterargument is that they may channel development,
but they don't drive it, typically.

> In the case of Flash vrs SVG it's not a fair comparison.  
> Flash is an application platform with full scripting and 
> animation capabilities. SVG is simple a file format for 
> vector graphics like an open CMX or WPG. I think that 
> it's VERY likely that Flash will accept SVG graphics as
> input soon (just as it now accepts PNG, another W3C standard, 
> as input) but the two technologies aren't in competition.

My comparison may not be fair, but I think it's accurate. While Flash is now
considered an application platform, that's not how it started - back when it
was called FutureSplash or whatever, it was a vector graphics and animation
tool. As for SVG, the W3C might argue that it's more than just a file format
for vector graphics:

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/interact.html
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/script.html
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/animate.html

But yes, really, there's no comparison - SVG isn't anywhere near Flash as
far as what we can do with it, today.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444

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