> Ummmmm, wow -- fast and slow at what? Development? Compilation? Execution?
> Performance under load? Math calculations? etc etc?
>
> CFMX, JSP compile to java byte code and get executed by a JVM.
> PHP, ASP compiles to pseudocode and is run by a C++ interpreter.
> ASP.NET is compiled to .NET bytecode (that's not the right term -- I'm not
a
> .NET guy, but it's equivalent) and is run by the CLR
>
> What's that mean for performance? Nada. Your code is the issue. At least
for
> the first 90% or so of performance -- then it comes down to server, OS,
> hardware, database, and application server tweaking.

He was asking for performance.  And those technologies are mostly slow.
Write an ecommerce site in assembly.  It'll probably scream.  But it'll take
forever to write, and writing scalability features into it will be a major
undertaking.

Are you disagreeing with the fact that they are slow?  Because, heck, they
are.  But that's the price that paid for quick(er) development time,
scalability, reliability, and convenience.  And that's not a bad thing.  It
sure is a good thing.

>
> > But, that's only half the story.  There's a big difference between
> > _scalability_ and _performance_.  JSP, CFMX, ASP.NET are all highly
> > scalable.  So, even though it takes 100ms for any single request, when
you
> > have, say, 10000 users, it still takes 100ms.  Other technologies (cough
> > classic ASP, PHP cough) fall flat and die at such high volumes.
>
>
> I had no clue I could scale to 10,000 users on the same hardware with no
> performance degredation in CFMX (or JSP or ASP.NET for that matter). Of
> course there's a difference -- but it's nowhere near that easy or linear.

No, it's not that simple.  But some systems just will not scale, no matter
how much hardware or code optimization or whatever what factors you have
under your control you optimize.

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