Don't fight this people! This is not comparing oranges with apples this is just the right thing!
6% of Jave user use Strute, 6% of CF Developer use Fusebox! Struts compared to Fusebox...! That doesn't say much about Struts, but it tells a lot about Fusebox! Is has come a long way and it finally made it into the league where it receives serious considerations from a lot of high class programmers, that have been all time opponents! Congrats to Steve, Hal, Nat, John, Eric, Jeff and others that worked on it so faithfully and persistent.! This is a great! Made my day! And if you are out there Buddies, I hope it made your day as well! Matt thank you! Birgit Pauli-Haack PS: hey it's Friday <chuckle> Friday, July 18, 2003, 3:29:46 PM, you wrote: SC> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SC> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:00 PM SC> To: CF-Talk SC> Subject: Re: Cons to Fusebox SC> I saw this thread mentioned on Sean's blog and I was thinking about SC> rejoining this list before reading his blog, so here I am. I'm not SC> interested in trying to rehash much of the debate since I am late to SC> this thread, but I feel like it is important to make at least a couple SC> of points. SC> First, I largely agree with Dave's position in this debate, but I don't SC> agree with him in regards to his application of common sense in lieu of SC> a framework. I think frameworks are extremely valuable and can make an SC> enormous difference in the success of web applications especially where SC> more than 3 people on working on them. Of course, picking the wrong SC> framework for an application can lead to all sorts of problems, so the SC> notion of one framework being the correct one in every case should be SC> abandoned. SC> Second, I have seen numerous references by Fusebox people both in and SC> out of this thread in regards to how the sheer number of people using SC> Fusebox is an important point. I like to put that into perspective a SC> bit. According to Fusebox.org, there are 17756 using Fusebox. Not sure SC> where that number comes from, but let's apply that to the number of CF SC> developers, which is supposed to be about 300,000. That would mean SC> about 6% of CF developers are using Fusebox. Now then, let's assume SC> that 6% of Java developers are using Struts. Since there is supposed to SC> be about 3,000,000 Java developers that would mean there would be SC> 180,000 Java developers using Struts. SC> There are a lot of reasons why one would use Struts over Fusebox and SC> vice versa, but if sheer numbers matter to people than Struts is the SC> way to go since it is used by a lot more people. BTW, if you don't buy SC> the above numbers; take a look at the Amazon.com sales rankings for the SC> 10+ struts books vs. the Fusebox books. SC> -Matt SC> On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 12:27 PM, Erik Yowell wrote: >>> >>> Trade offs. Everything is a trade off. Sometimes the quick, >>> unstructured 'hack' is the right solution... >>> >> >> This for me (being a small shop) is why I've extensively adopted a >> framework like Fusebox. Most of my projects are not going to become an >> Amazon.com anytime soon, while this doesn't mean I should write sloppy >> code - it does allow the flexibility of allowing a bit of a processing >> overhead in lieu of manageability and the ability to bring in external >> talent to easily assist me in changes (if needed) by providing a good >> set of standards and the Fusebox docs. I don't have to spend precious >> time educating another developer on the intricacies of a custom >> framework. >> >> Despite what organizations like Rational think (in the sense that there >> is no such thing as RAD development) - I mean, come on now, how many >> developers out there have had the "I needed it yesterday" conversation >> with a client? I find having the ability to quickly find and make >> changes to medium sized projects, forced structuring of code and >> application processes to be a boon. >> >> Erik Yowell >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.shortfusemedia.com >> >> >> SC> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
