Ben... I know you proabably can't answer this... but when you say "a different class of developers" I wonder what exactly this means... // Neil, your comment makes me wonder: If I am planning to get into the OO flash programming using MVC with CF as my backend, is Flash Remoting and AS sufficient? Or should I learn Java...(time is a factor with me) // Thanks to you all for giving me the answer from this perspective. For those of you who are interested, I also posted the question to a Flash list to get another perspective, and Jesse Warden answered with this: Firefly components are for those who don't wish to learn the Firefly components. Although I haven't personally used them, they seem like they'd be overkill for someone like me. I need to write specific code to connect to my .NET web services, and bind the data, etc. I have a more specicialized need and Firefly sound like a packaged deal for those who don't wish to learn Flash Remoting.
Royale is really a tool to create SWF files based on XML server-side, cousin of Generator. WebServices can be used to create it, but it doesn't do Remoting all by itself; you'd still need to write code to have it contact web services. Remoting's future will be clearer towards the end of the year, but personally, I don't think there is much to learning Remoting really, only purchasing it. It's price demands you know wtf your doing... Which again, isn't that diffucult. Of all the concepts in Flash, I've found Remoting the most easiest to use and hardest to utilize. I myself have yet to mess with the PHP end of things, therefore haven't created my own web services. At work, I use services created by other programmers, which still isn't the best because I may be able to tweak them to work better with Flash, or even write my own... Someday.... Anyway, if your trying to find out where to best spend your time, you need to inform of us of what your interested in. Personally, I'd learn these, now, in the following order: - learn to connect to a simple web service using Flash Remoting; save the file, and keep it around for later. That counts, to me, learning Flash Remoting. - learn what Flashcom can do; don't have to code anything, just read throught he marketing. - read up on ECMA specifications, ecspecially some of the proposed 4 stuff - learn one or 2 patterns (MVC, Observer, etc.) To me, that's a great use of your time. ///// Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/24/2003 10:56:50 AM >>> While I cant say much about Royale (as I know jack :-) but from what I know and have heard...it is going to be for the J2EE type application developer..very high end; all MVC etc......its like a whole new server technology to help bring RIA to the masses at an enterprise level. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 July 2003 15:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Remoting? Candace, The Firefly components use Remoting, it may be hidden somewhat, but it is still using Remoting. As for Royale, obviously there is very little anyone can say publicly about that (besides what is at http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/), but I will add that Royale does not replace Flash, rather, it provides another avenue to Flash that can be used by a different class of developers. Even when Royale ships, there will still be a Flash product, and will still be a need for Flash to talk to back end services. --- Ben -----Original Message----- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Remoting? I know all that ;) But I am doing a preso at the local Cfug on remoting and someone brought up the question, Basically stating that Flash remoting will die when Royale comes out. Just wondering how much time I am wasting teaching these folks something that'll be dead by the New Year... Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/24/2003 10:27:27 AM >>> To be more marketable than the next guy or girl :-) The more you know..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candace Cottrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: SOT: Remoting? > With the advent of the Firefly components and the shadows of Royale, > what is the point of learning Actionscript to use remoting? > > Is there one? > > > Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer > The Children's Medical Center > One Children's Plaza > Dayton, OH 45404 > 937-641-4293 > http://www.childrensdayton.org > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
