Anyone knowledgeable with Mach-II that can offer a comparison with http://www.cfobjects.com ?
Dan =================== Previous Message Below =================== -----Original Message----- From: Angus McFee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RE: re: Mach-II Matt - Good to hear from a fellow fuseboxer! No, this isn't a joke, this guy clearly has a problem with what fusebox has become and has made this other framework that clearly doesn't do most of what Fusebox is capable of. I don' t think him having helped make fusebox or having been in a few books makes a huge difference. My dog has been in a few books, that doesn't mean he don't hate cats. But this really sounds like he is dissing fusebox. "Mach-II, though, is meant to be a pure OO framework. Fusebox and Mach-II have in common some good software engineering principles, but are very different things. I'm really referring to (a) backwards compatibility and (b) cross-language compatibility." These things aren't new and they don't do something you can't do with fusebox already. Fusebox already works in ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, JSP and Perl, and I have even seen a TCL port for the framework. In PHP, you can do all the object oriented programming you want, so I don't see why there would be a need for this "mach-ii" except to take away from fusebox. This guy is just one of the ones who is never going to get what it is all about. Angus McFee -----Original Message----- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Mach-II This is a joke right? -Matt On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 04:08 PM, Angus McFee wrote: > Hal - > > I've heard from plenty of people looking for a way to beat up on > Fusebox, but usually they have nothing to say when it comes to > building a better framework. This is the first time in a long time > anyone has suggested an alternative approach, and I really don't see > how any of this benefits developers. This mach-ii stuff looks like > just another petty attack on Fusebox. > > It's pretty clear we see things differently when it comes to building > Web applications. I don't know you, but I can tell you are a pretty > intelligent person, so you probably have some good reasons for why you > don't like or hate fusebox. > > What I have to ask you is: do you use fusebox? Becuase there are > plenty of people who are ready to attack it anytime and don't even > know ColdFusion, much less what a framework is. You will probably > never be convinced about the benefits of fusebox, all I can do is > disagree with you, and point out all the great things fusebox does for > developers: > > * it separates business logic from presentation logic, making for more > organized, efficent code > * it gives developers a common set of rules and methods to work from, > so that everyone can understand what the other people are doing on a > project regardless of the size of a team > * it modularizes and encapsulates code, making it easier to reuse and > thus to maintain > * it is self-documenting, containing a complete, inline XML standard > for documenting your applications > * most importantly, there are thousands and thousands of fusebox > developers out there, and more and more shops are choosing to use it > every day. it is close to becoming a de-facto standard, which I doubt > your mach-ii 'framework' will ever be able to match > > Angus McFee > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:16 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: RE: re: Mach-II > > You're right, Dave. We're not looking to be able to incorporate > Fusebox 3 (or 4) with Mach-II. We think that Fusebox is a great > framework for procedural programmers. (Please, God, don't let this > degenerate into yet another pro/con Fusebox debate...) > Mach-II, though, is meant to be a pure OO framework. Fusebox and > Mach-II have in common some good software engineering principles, but > are very different things. I'm really referring to (a) backwards > compatibility and (b) cross-language compatibility. > Hal Helms > "Java for CF Programmers" class > in Las Vegas, August 18-22 > www.halhelms.com > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
