Some folks will say it's no more secure than having it all on one
box...but I believe it *does* offer you the opportunity to at least
*implement* additional security if need be...although simply separating
the two and having them in the same network segment is not going to do
much for you. In our case the communication between the web and app
server is limited to the generated response cf produces (via firewall)
limiting the risk to the app server.

That's not the sole reason we've done it that way...all of our web
servers are clustered together (rather than clustering the combined
app/web scenario) which from what I'm told offers our operations folks
more flexibility.

Stace


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 4:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Separating IIS from CF

ok, he bows his head in ignorance...

im dumb, but why would you want to?

tony weeg
uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
tony at navtrak dot net
www.navtrak.net
office 410.548.2337
fax 410.860.2337


-----Original Message-----
From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 4:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Separating IIS from CF


Sure you can...the jrun connector navigates to the cfmx server via IP
address and port number.

Stace

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Separating IIS from CF

of the people who use iis and cf, I bet its 100% are on the same
machine...i don't even think you can have it on two different machines?
can you? 

I know you can use the built in server that comes with cf, but that
would be on port 8500 right?

tony weeg
uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
tony at navtrak dot net
www.navtrak.net
office 410.548.2337
fax 410.860.2337


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Separating IIS from CF


we had a security audit one time tell us to take our webservers offline
so that hackers couldn't see them.

my point is...

there is no clear reasoning as to why a security company would tell you 
to take your cf server and put that on a different machine than your iis
machine...it just doesn't make sense....not in the least bit.  

how many developers/web shops on this list, have iis and cf on the same
machine?

I bet 100% of us.

tony weeg
uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
tony at navtrak dot net
www.navtrak.net
office 410.548.2337
fax 410.860.2337


-----Original Message-----
From: Venable, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Separating IIS from CF


We just had a security audit and one of the recommendations was to
separate Cold Fusion and IIS onto two separate systems. I hadn't heard
of doing this, and am really wary of doing this since we are using
Commonspot and I have no idea what ramifications would result.

Their reasoning for this was pretty vague, so can anyone give me reasons
why we should and shouldn't do this? The motivation in this particular
case being improved security.

Thanks

John

---
John Venable
Director of Web Architecture
Epilepsy Foundation 






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