> Speaking for myself, I do question the commitment from a marketing
> standpoint for CF.

oh, pleazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

lets do some simple math

dreamweaver mx updates:
6.1
=1

coldfusion mx updates:
1
2
3
6.1 (red sky)
=4

hummmmmm..........


> You said that they wished to target the PHP and ASP market, but this
> doesn't explain why there was no mention of CF specific products in
> their initial marketing campaign.

hello, you just got red sky and php got ziltch & asp got ziltch & .net got
ziltch.

seems too me that they(non cf crowd) should be the ones complaing since
those users probably make up 75% of the ppl who buy dw.

so are you saying that we should have MM say screw u too the php & asp &
only concentrate on cf?

if thats the case, say goodbye too cf

i surely dont see enough cf'ers too support it.

personally, i see MM do a hell of a lot for the cf crowd.

if you dont think so, go to adobe or M$ and see what they will do for you,
LMFAO!

sure we need people to voice their needs but this is getting ridulous.

as far as someone mentioning their cf survey & they didnt get all they
want...... i wont even comment on that no brainer.

maybe im just in a bad mood & i appologize for that, but come on.

folks at MM, i think you are doing a great job & thank you for that.
maybe once ppl stop pouting and get more ppl too use coldfusion then the
finacial capibilities will be there for MM to do something just for the
coldfusion crowd.


>
> In the offical campaign they mention improvements for .ASP and .PHP.
> But on these lists they say that us CF Coders have so much to look
> forward to,
> yet none of these are worth mentioning in the official marketing
> campaign???

helloooooo..... RED SKY....RED SKY....RED SKY......RED SKY

> That does not compute.
thats not the only thing thats not computing, lol

















> Speaking for myself, I do question the commitment from a marketing
> standpoint for CF.
>
> You said that they wished to target the PHP and ASP market, but this
> doesn't explain why there was no mention of CF specific products in
> their initial marketing campaign.
>
> That contradicts a company wide commitment to a product and a cohesive
> vision for a line of utilities that includes that product.
>
> It's like New Atlanta came out with an IDE for CFML and in the next
> revision mentioning pages upon pages of new features for .Net and
> nothing for the standard Bluedragon server, whilst saying outside the
> offical marketing campaign there have been several 'exciting'
> improvements for standard Bluedragon.
>
> That's akin to what MM is doing with their marketing.
>
> In the offical campaign they mention improvements for .ASP and .PHP.
> But on these lists they say that us CF Coders have so much to look
> forward to,
> yet none of these are worth mentioning in the official marketing
> campaign???
>
> That does not compute.
>
> -Angel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:27 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
>
> For those of you who question the commitment to CF, um, hello? Did you
> miss 6.1? I for one think that CFMX 6.1 is a very significant upgrade,
> you may feel otherwise and are entitled to do so. Regardless, investing
> as we did in CF and then releasing it as a free upgrade to me spells
> Commitment (with a capital C). Yes, I know there are other departments
> and product teams within Macromedia who like to play Switzerland and not
> marry themselves to any product for fear of alienating users of other
> technologies, but that is marketing and should be recognized as such. I
> beat up on them for it, you should feel free to do the same. If you hear
> nothing from the CF team for a while, get worried, until then realize
> that Macromedia is a big company (i.e., not Allaire) selling lots of
> products many of which generate far greater revenue than does
> ColdFusion.
>
> --- Ben
>
>
> 
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