Thanks Lee

Yup I already investigated the MySQL route.....and simply puit...it ain't no
database if it doesn't have SPs,views. triggers, proper referential
integrity etc. ;-)

If PostgreSQL isn't ready for Windows in production then I'm going the MSDE
route....it will cost the client a couple extra bucks to get an MSDE licence
via Office (or the other ways you can get through MS licensing issues).  BTW
this will be a co-lo box so at least the shared hosting available technology
restrictions do not come into play ;-)

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
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Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 8:43 AM
Subject: Re:calling all users of PostgreSQL on Windows


> OK Bryan -
>
> You say you're an OSS newbie. That's fine; we all were once.
>
> Why Postgres? Personally, I virtually always use Postgres when I can, but
there is another OSS database available (well, a bunch, but it often comes
down to Postgres vs....): mySQL.
>
> Up front, let me say that I'm not a fan of mySQL. To me, mySQL = Access;
Postgres = Oracle (roughly, in both cases).
>
> But there are time when you just need Access. Here's a quick hit list of
the pros and cons of each (my opinions, but backed by experience and
reading):
>
> POSTGRES Pros:
> - Robust, scalable
> - ACID compliant
> - ANSI 92 compliant; contains a plethora of functions that make life
easier
> - Fast (used to be a dog; in v7.1 and up, much faster - see Tim Perdue's
articles as www.phpbuilder.net)
> - Excellent security model
> - Many tuning options
>
> POSTGRES Cons:
> - More complex (including set up)
> - Lack of GUI tools (I have not found one I like yet; I do all my PSQL
from the command line)
> - Overkill in some cases - Just like you would not install Oracle for
"Bob's Pet Shoppe" Web site, Postgres is sometimes unnecessary
> - Not really cross-platform yet. Hopefully in 2004.
>
> MYSQL Pros:
> - Trivial set up
> - Fast, at least for selects (main Web Server use)
> - Cross platform; runs well on *NIX or Windows. Big plus
> - Some good GUI tools out there (I use SQLYog; which I like a lot)
> - It's improving rapidly - the cons outlined below may go away shortly
>
> MYSQL Cons:
> - You can outgrow it quickly (the locking mechanism is particularily
troublesome; can take a real performance hit on high-traffic sites
> - Weird, proprietary SQL
> - No subselects (my biggest complaint)
> - No transactions! (with the innoDB extension you can get transactions,
but that's not currently a native solution, I believe)
>
> Like the platform wars, a lot of folks take the mySQL vs. Postgres
comparison as a war; I view them as two tools.
>
> Pick the best one, but be aware of the costs/benefits of each.
>
> RE: Cost, as in $$: Yep, both are free, with some businesses offering
bundles for cost (as RedHat does with Linux etc).
>
> One other note: For clients that are going to have a NON-dedicated server:
It's almost impossible to find hosting for Postgres. Everyone has mySQL;
very few with Postgres, and it's usually a "managed business solution" that
is expensive. It's the chicken and the egg thing: Everyone has mySQL, so
it's cheap; few have Postgres and it's not cheap, so they don't run it...
>
>
> 
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