Jon,
Man, you nailed it. I suspect most of the "good" shared server CF
hosting that exists right now is done by development companies for their
clients, for exactly the reasons you've mentioned. Fairly safe if
you're writing all the code running on the box. In a "blind" shared
environment you really have to cross your fingers, both as a customer
and a host.
As in most things, you have to weigh the revenues against the costs. If
you find the hassles and the support costs don't justify the income, get
the hell out of shared CF hosting and don't look back. On the other
hand, perhaps sharply increased prices and stricter support policies
could allow you to continue. The higher hosting prices alone may scare
off the really amateur developers. There may be a very strong market in
serving CF developers, such as those on this list, by offering them
colocated, managed servers, on which they host only their own client
sites. The "managed" would be the key here. You build or buy the
server, install all the server software, including server application
(mail, DNS, etc.) which you choose. You'd charge proportionately higher
for this service than just colocating someone's box in your facility.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: john ellard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Hosting Solutions???
>This might open a debate that I would be very interested in :-) We are
on
>the verge of abandoning shared CF servers in favour of pure colocation
>because of the hassles. I have made comments on this mail below but
I'd
>really welcome views - my conclusions are (as they should be) at the
end of
>that.
>
>At 14:34 04/08/00 -0400, you wrote:
>>Ok I am looking for a GOOD hosting solution that will allow me to use
CF 4.5
>>and SQL Server 7.0.
>>I dont want a dedicated server, just shared server if possible, I am
with
>>Intermedia right now and for
>>the last week their service has SUCKED because they 1. put too many
people
>>on each server
>
>
>Can't comment on any other hosting company, but just how is one
supposed to
>know how many is too many?? It really depends on a myriad of factors,
none
>of which are generally clear at site launch to either the hosting
outfit or
>the client.
>
>>2. dont monitor sites for BAD CODE that could bring the server to a
>>screeching halt so in the last week
>>my site has been up and down DAILY. Which is UNACCEPTABLE, they just
say
>>"well there is nothing
>>we can do about it" Bull CRAP!
>
>Now just precisely how do you monitor for 'bad code'? Obviously if CPU
>hits the roof for prolonged periods it's a symptom, but by then it's a
bit
>late. There are plenty of so-called developers out there who are
>incompetent, but short of examining each template, each SQL statement
in
>detail how does the hosting company adjudicate? Even then proving that
a
>client is the culprit can be difficult and contentious.
>
>
>>Anyway Media3 I was going to go with until they too FOREVER to set up
my
>>account, maybe they were
>>just having a bad day? So if you use them has your experience been
good? The
>>things I am looking for
>>are reliablity and support that is EASY to contact. For instance
intermedia
>>you can ONLY CONTACT
>>by email which is RIDICULOUS when hosting BUSINESS applications. If
anyone
>>can recommend
>>a reliable CF/SQL hosting solution for no more than 75/95 a month
please let
>>me know.
>
>
>So you want policing, code-checking, voice support, and all that for
>75-95/month. Yet you don't want your own server, just to share. And
you
>shout about the difficulty in finding such a service because you're
talking
>about a business application?
>
>My own view is that you get what you pay for. If your 'business
>application' is that critical surely it merits a dedicated server.
>
>Overall I think you raise a number of issues that perplex both
>shared-server users and hosting companies, and these include:
>
>1. How do hosting companies police CF developers?
>
>2. What sanctions are reasonable where a site harms others on the
same
>box?
>
>3. Where does support end and free CF consultancy begin? We have
>plenty of 'naughty' users whose response to a complaint about the
behaviour
>of their templates is to seek advice from our support desk on how to
fix
>their bad code.
>
>
>My own views remain vague about these questions, and we're inclined to
move
>to pure box-hosting since that way all we have to provide is bandwidth,
>electricity and rack space. And that increases revenue, simplifies
>support, and stops shouty emails :-)
>
>Does anyone out there have any (non-CAPITALISED) views?
>
>Thanks Kelly for focusing my mind on a current problem <s>
>
>John
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