What I object to is your implication that if someone doesn't use an
"approved" framework, they are re-inventing the wheel and not trying to
solve real-world problems.  The "if you're not with us, you're against us"
mentality some Fusecattle hold is just ridiculous.  Just because someone
creates their own framework doesn't mean they are "detractors".  Let's face
it, just because people didn't follow the path you've taken to acheive
development Nirvana doesn't mean they went about it the wrong way.  I don't
like a lot of things; does that mean I detract from them?

Also, I don't understand how using OS X and Linux cuts down on your
administration time.  These things are fallable just like everything else.
In my experience, it is skill coupled with patience and the leveraging of
specific tools (in some instances) that gets the job done.

-Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Fore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 11:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Mach-II

I don't get it. No matter what list I'm on, sooner or later or every 3
months, someone asks for an opinion on FB (now Mach-II). The detractors
are usually the first out of the gate. "I create my own enterprise
level frameworks using hand-crafted bits and a time-tested event model
I first palyed around with when punch cards were new. Everyone should
create their own frameworks because preexisting frameworks have waaaay
too much code-bloat and they can't possibly address my situation as
well as I can." And the battle rages for a while. Then some gets around
to saying, "well, really I'm an advocate for the right tool at the
right time." Why don't these people realize that sometime it is more
useful to spend time solving problems rather than crafting tools to
solve problems. "Because I know I can make a better framework" is not
always a good excuse.

This is why I use Fusebox for my web application framework, OS X for my
development platform, and Linux for my server platform. They work, and
I can spend my time solving problems created by my business users and
less on creating tools to do so, or workstation administration, or
server administration.

--
Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On May 27, 2004, at 10:34 PM, Claude Schneegans wrote:

> For me what's important is using the right tool in the right
> circumstance, and what it has been
> designed originally for, not any new thing just because every body
> talks about it and you don't want to look like you are left behind.
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