On Jul 14, 2004, at 8:54 PM, Spike wrote:

  >>��Barney are the first people to say that Eclipse is slow on that
  >> platform.
  >
  >Sean C. also mentioned this.

  Did he?

  I thought he said cfeclipse was slow, or rather that it ate up his
CPU. That
  was an issue with the internal browser and has been fixed in the latest
  code. Appologies if I mis-represented him.

He did say that CFEclipse was slow but didn't differentiate between the
plugin & Eclipse in general.  I can't speak for Sean (and wouldn't
attempt to) but he prolly had an experience with Eclipse/CFeclipse
similar to mine -- early versions of either/both were slow -- why waste
the time, move on 'til later when things are more mature.

  >To compare, I have 2 Eclipse windows, side by side with no overlap &
  >both are visible.
  >

  I'm curious why you have 2 windows open side by side.

Pretty standard way of doing things on the Mac (at least for me).  But,
specifically:

1) I am learning Java
2) I am fiddling with JAI
3) I am trying to learn Eclipse &CFEclipse
4) I am writing Java classes that are called by CFCs that are invoked
by a CFM Template
5) I have a 23" display and a 17" display

It is faster to switch windows than to switch perspectives

It is easier to copy/paste (I've only ever written 1 program --
everything else is a copy/paste derivitive of that of that)

In most Mac apps you can drag and drop files (or selected portions of
files) between windows

In general, on the Mac, you pay little overhead for multiple windows in
an application -- only the active window uses resources.

Seriously, I have 3 active browsers, (FireFox, Mozilla and Safari) each
with several windows  Safari currently has 17 windows.

So, I am taking 3 different Java tutorials.  I find an example in one
that I want to try.

1) I select the Java Source in the browser window, then drag and drop
it into a BBEdit window, save & run

I can do the same (drag and drop) CLI commands to a Terminal window,
etc)

You can do this all with copy/paste, but D&D is easier/quicker.

In Summary, (Mac) windows are resources, the more the better )at least
for the way I do things).

>I don't think that's how Eclipse is intended to be used unless I've
>misunderstood you. Given that I've never used Eclipse on a mac that's
>entirely possible. I think Eclipse is supposed to be used as a single
window
>instance inside which you perform all the tasks for any project.

Well, I am still learning.  I usually have 3 Eclipse windows open:

1) CVS Repos
2) Java projects
3) CFML projects

  >>2) typing/selecting/manipulation of content feels like you are
wearing
  >>mittens or have spilled a Diet Pepsi on the mouse keyboard

>Text selection does tend to be slow in Eclipse. I think that's partly
>because Java isn't the best language in the world when it comes to
dealing
>with strings.

Jeeze... If Dave Winer taught me anything it is this:  What people do
is make lists (and lists are strings)

ergo, If Java can't do strings, Java can't do what people do!

Maybe String should have been a primitive type instead of an object?

Dick

"We should be taught not to wait for inspiration to start a thing.
  Action always generates inspiration.
  Inspiration seldom generates action."
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