Jim,

I am going to have to agree with you!

Russell Patterson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim Davis
  To: CF-Talk
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:14 AM
  Subject: RE: Intel HyperThreading

  I, for one, really miss my dually desktop. ;^)

  Remember that while most desktop apps are not able to fully to take
  advantage of dual CPUs you are far more likely to be running multiple apps
  at once on a desktop.  There's an odd feeling of power on a dually: even
  while doing something processor intensive like encoding video I could click
  on Outlook and it would open immediately.  So very sweet.

  On a single processor machine you hear some thrashing, then, maybe the
  Outlook frame opens. then a minute later you see the interface. then a few
  minutes later you can click something.  HyperThreading improves this kind of
  thing pretty dramatically, but not close to as much as true dual CPUs do.

  But in short if you multi-task a lot (and what developer doesn't?) then dual
  CPUs on the desktop can increase response time dramatically (although it
  doesn't generally make any individual task run any faster at all).

  At the same time there are issues - a minor one, for example, is that if
  you're using Windows XP you'll need Professional, not home, to take
  advantage of dual CPUs.  Also if heat is a problem in your area then
  remember that you'll have two space heaters trying to fry your drives in a
  dually.  Power consumption goes up as well.

  Lastly you'll also find that most of the motherboards available for dually -
  especially modern ones - are almost all skewed towards server usage.  You'll
  find few PCI slots (but a lot of PCI 64 slots), lots of built in SCSI and
  very few consumer additions like firewire and 802.11.  Also these boards
  tend to be more expensive and if you want to go the Intel route then you're
  stuck with more expensive Xeon CPUs since regular P4s have been dual-locked
  and won't work.

  If you're willing to go back in time however then your options open up -
  find an old Soyo VP6 motherboard, maybe some Taulitin converters and a
  coupla PIII 1.3 Ghz. it'll make for a smoking server or workstation (as long
  as you don't overload the PCI bus. a problem on the VP6) and the cost should
  be reasonable.

  You might also wait until next year and see how things play out: both Intel
  and AMD are pushing heavily on dual-core chips (single chips sporting two
  CPU cores, two sets of L2 cache and single memory controllers).  Intel has
  recently announced, retroactively, that Hyperthreading was just a step in
  this direction and got application designers used to thinking in these terms
  - by the end of next year they've intimated that all their chips will be
  multi-core - even their mobile chips.

  Jim Davis

  From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:10 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Intel HyperThreading

  Donna, are you replacing a desktop or a server? If you are replacing a
  desktop I would not go with a dual CPU. Unless you have some mad money just
  sitting around. Your desk top apps are more then likely not written to take
  advantage of dual CPUs.
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