I'm not sure how many times it must be stated in this thread that
using a framework will not prevent a bad developer from writing bad
code any more than using an OO language like Java can prevent bad
code. If this application that you worked on made an inefficient
system that duplicates queries then they clearly didn't know what they
were doing. Same goes for their use of included files, if the files
were not organized well and named appropriately then no framework in
the world is going to help.

Frameworks exist to make the life of a developer easier, not more
difficult. If a framework isn't helping someone do their job, for
whatever reason, the answer is simple: don't use one.

For me, software engineering is always about learning new things and
taking new approaches. The more I learn the better developer I become.
>From this standpoint, I would say learning OOP, as well as becoming
familiar with frameworks, are both very good investments. At best, one
may discover some very useful things and add new techniques to their
toolkit. At worse, one has added to their knowledge about programming
and can now make decisions and assessments when they see other
people's code using OOP or frameworks. Either way they benefit.


On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:56:47 -0500, Claude Schneegans
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>It is a big deal if it made your job easier and your project more 
> >>successful.
> 
> My point is that it DOES NOT make my job easy.
> Apparently, at least for the product I'm thinking of, it made easier for the 
> programmers to make an inefficient system that repeats 5 times the same query 
> in the same page, etc. And it is a commercial product.
> And no, trying to find my way in a structure that includes 100 templates DOES 
> NOT make my job easier.
> --

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