On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:30:28 -0500, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this distinction between "hand coder" and "designer" is part of the > problem here. As programming environments mature, it's natural to spend less > time writing code and more time using visual tools. If you're a Windows > programmer, you don't write the lines of code that figure out how things > will appear on the screen, you draw them out using Windows Forms from within > Visual Studio. You then write code as appropriate to bind to events that > occur to the objects within your forms. Does that make you a designer, or a > hand coder?
I think hand coder may be a bad term. If I am writing a java bean, or a cfc, the designer does nothing for me. Most times, I just use some sort of template or predesinged "thing" for the UI and add data behind it - so often it's design once then write code behind it. In that case there is a pretty definite distinction between design and coding. > In my opinion, this is what Dreamweaver is becoming - a tool more like > Visual Studio than like emacs or vi. Further, I think that this is a good > thing. I can't really talk about .NETs auto made code, but as for things like Java GUI desigers (and even DW a bit) the code they make by "dragging and dropping" very from funky to horrid. The code tends to be sloppy and inefficient. Not so much with DW - DW tends to just format things funny IMO. I would say that is a designer. If you know how to make a query, and a form by hand, but prefer a visual tool - then you *clean up the code* you are a "hand coder". If you can't do the same things with or without a visual tool, I think you are a designer++. -- ~Blog~ http://www.robrohan.com ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase Homesite Plus with Dreamweaver from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=55 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190308 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
