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Paul Stewart Site Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.whichfranchise.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Haskell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:53 PM Subject: Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown > Everyone is throwing around this idea that Coldfusion is just as > "free" as PHP...but the fact is that Coldfusion cost more to the PHP > to the shared hosting person. I can get a good solid PHP host for > under $10/month ($7.95 @ crystal tech if i recall). Point me to a > reliable CF hosting company that offers this... > > > Adam H > > > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:17:45 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ok first of all, i know you all have a hard time with how I write and I >> appologize for that. Most of the day I spend talking to my nephews and >> neices who range from 2/ 1/2yrs to 12 yrs and thats how they can >> understand(im & txt messaging), so its habit, plus i'm a really BAD >> typer! So after this message I'm going to bestbuy to get Beavis Macon >> teaches typing! >> and I promise too try better :) >> (3 medical degrees, you'd think I would do better!) >> >> "Art school sounds like a bad place to learn about programming." >> yeah Dave they are BUT this kind of thinking is what kills coldfusion! >> >> Sure it's a bad place to learn how to build a full out application. But >> lets take a graphic artist for example. Most of them do their courses in >> photoshop and illistrator but then they also take flash courses. So they >> learn how to make this nifty lil flash sites which contain a contact >> page, so then they learn enough php to send the email. Last time i >> checked sending an email from cfm was a bit easier than php. (remember >> when we had to use matts mail in cgi from matts scripts archive haha) >> >> ok so you say big deal! >> well it is a big deal because from now on they will most likely end up >> using php when it could be coldfusion! >> And i know we all get along so well with the graphics ppl but what I see >> is that these graphics ppl(people) are finding it very difficult to find >> a good job so they start to learn programming and where do they go? (hint >> php) why? because they have some familiarality with it and they think its >> the "free" answer. >> >> Now contrary to what mischa says, not everyone builds enterprise sized >> apps, not everyone has their own server and certainly not everyone has a >> background in C. I'd assume that if you asked most php developers what C >> is that they'd say its the letter thats between B and D. And if you did >> have a background in C wouldn't you really most likely got to .net >> anyways? >> >> There are a ton of php developers of course but how many are actually >> doing prodjects that are "small"? >> >> I don't have any concrete numbers but i would say a big majority of ppl >> that use php use it for very small things (sending emails, basic database >> manipulation, etc..) so I think those numbers about users really does >> lie. There are some ppl that do great things with php but a majority are >> just novice users who use it because its "free" or because they can just >> plug in phpbb or an image gallery app or phpnuke, etc.... But mostly >> cause they are just uninformed. >> >> We can fight about this all we want but really it comes down to this, all >> these hundreds of thousands of ppl that use php cause its "free" and are >> on shared servers just dont know that to them and a majority of their >> clients that coldfusion is just as free, period!! They just don't know! >> >> ANd honestly, if you were a newbie again which would be easier to learn >> and understand? Course ppl are different but there is a reason why cfm is >> still around................. >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:52 AM >> To: CF-Talk <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: CFMX 7 feature breakdown >> >> > ... and he says well in art school they tell u that >> > coldfusion is really expensive. >> >> Art school sounds like a bad place to learn about programming. >> >> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >> http://www.figleaf.com/ >> >> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized >> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, >> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. >> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193854 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
