You know that one thing that everyone seems to miss in these "my browser is 
bigger than your browser" threads is this:

We are techies....we like what we like...we understand it all and can see 
the differences.

The average user (ya the ones that keep AOL in business etc.) do not.  They 
buy a computer with Windows and IE on it...that is all they know.  For a lot 
of them it's not a "browser"....it's not "IE or FireFox"....it's simply 
known as the "Internet" (yes my mother calls her browser the Internet). 
This is an alien world to us techies and we have to remember to think like 
those awful uneducated masses.

The only way I can see that FireFox (or any other newcomer) can truly make a 
dent (and/or scare MS) is to convince computer manufacturers/retailers to 
package FireFox with their computers.  That of course will require the 
heavens to open up and large bolts of lightning will spill form and strike 
Redmond ;-)

So until then...we can like what we will...but IE will remain Lord of the 
Browsers.

Bye now

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Calvin Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:58 AM
Subject: RE: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)


> Adam,
>
> I'm not a critic of MS at all, however I am unhappy with the progression 
> of
> improvement for the IE browser, both in addressing security and supporting
> standards.
>
> And less than a year ago MS publicly stated there was not going to be an
> update to IE until Longhorn, so I'm not sure where you get the impression
> that this is not a change in plans.
>
> As an FYI, I never make a purchase or technology decision for or against a
> technology just because it is or is not MS. In fact, many MS products meet
> my needs. Current IE does not.
>
> - Calvin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:40 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Internet Explorer 7 (no really!)
>
> Its funny how you can pick a MS critic from a mile away. Yes, they
> just publicly announced that IE 7 will be released this summer, but I
> think you underestimate MS when you act like they are shooting from
> this hip. An update to an application to the scale of IE would have
> been planned well over a year ago. Most likely before Firefox was even
> in beta.
>
> Firefox is not a threat. It's just new and hot. Much like mozilla was
> on it's initial launch when these exact same conversation were had.
>
> AOL and google are both launching browsers soon (AOL based on IE ...
> not Mozilla). You would be naive to assume that they will just put out
> clones of existing browsers. What would be the financial gain in that?
> Soon you will be developing for those browsers inconsistencies as
> well.
>
> So do you people subscribe to an 'MS hater' email list, because its
> always the same crap on every MS related thread.. stale and without
> substance.
>
> But the bottom line is... who cares? You may love fireFox, but your
> love for Firefox isn't going to put it on the 90% of desktops who are
> happily surfing with IE.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:03:29 -0500, Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm not entirely sure how your comments apply to my observations.
>>
>> Microsoft removed the competition for browsers and promptly ceased
> improving
>> their browser beyond the barest minimum.
>>
>> FireFox is beginning to penetrate the market again.
>>
>> Microsoft is now reversing their stance and improving their browser
> without
>> waiting on an OS (notice that Firefox isn't tied to an OS? That's the way
> it
>> all started, remember?).
>>
>> I think it's a good thing.
>>
>> - Calvin
>
>
>
> 

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