On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:39:21 -0500, Ben Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think Firefox is a threat. The product is gaining market and > > mindshare over IE pretty consistently, and if they want to stop it > > they have to act now not before it gets to 30 or 50%. MSs plan (I > > think I read this somewhere but cant remember) > > is to get everyone off > > the browser and write apps with their avalon thing anyway > > Slashdot, perhaps? >
I think it might have been actually. > I've seen no evidence of this -- outside of the conspiracy theorist blogs. > As far as I can tell, they are trying to do the reverse: make traditional > desktop applications deployable and updatable via the Web. Um... how is that the opposite? Thats exactly what I said. From what I understand (theory or not) the avalon apps act like Apple dash board widget but on the desktop - no browser. > > (kind of > > like Flex for the desktop, but probably more complicated with > > engineered in vulnerabilities). I'd even say MM is a threat to MS at > > this point (unless they are playing footsie under the table) > > > > The more people that get hooked with complex apps in the browser the > > more they'll have to convert later. But MS says the only reason I've > > heard they are upgrading is because "their customers asked for it" > > (like they listen to them ;-D) > > Have you ever personally spoken with a Microsoft employee or even read a few > of their blogs? Aside from support - no - read blog yes. > As a Microsoft customer, we were asked to demonstrate an > application that we had written. We met with project leaders from several > teams. In many ways, the app we had written competed with what they were > doing. So, with some of the teams, we discussed differing approaches to > solving the same problem. With other teams, we discussed how they could > market the product we'd written to their customers. It was an educational > experience, much more useful than making the same old "us vs. them" > argument. So you wrote an app that competed with Microsoft, and they told you what niche you would be allowed to work in with out them crushing you .... ok ... so? > > > I'd bet IE7 is not going to be anything grand - it's going to be catch > > up like it almost always is. > > How so? Firefox only reached version 1 a few months ago. Safari has only > been out for a year or so, I believe. And already have more features and a safer experience than IE > Between the release of Internet > Explorer 4 and Safari, I can think of only two browsers that competed on a > technical level: Opera and Mozilla. Opera failed to render many sites > correctly (often because of bad browser detection, but that's the way it > is). Although the Gecko engine is pretty nice, the Mozilla suite left a lot > to be desired. Anyway, my point is, it seems like there were a few years > there that Internet Explorer was the uncontested leader. And has it really > slipped that far? Yes. For sure, Netscape 4 was horrid. IE was the bomb at that point. I talked many people off of netscape 4 onto IE because it was better by far. IE sucks now. > > They'll just add the basic features that > > are in firefox so that the IE crowd who now say they don't need tabbed > > browsing can say they love IE for its tabbed browsing > > Ah, so now we're insulting Internet Explorer users as well as Microsoft. Absolutely not. I am saying I have seen, many times, people in the "Microsoft Camp" say feature A is pointless no one will use it. Then MS comes out with Feature A (claims they made it up most times), and then the same people say Feature A is great! >I guess I can respond since I'm one of those people who doesn't "need" tabbed > browsing. I use Firefox religiously at home. I'd say that tabbed browsing > hasn't revolutionized my surfing experience. Well it has for a lot of people. > I rarely miss it at work where I generally use Internet Explorer. > > That said, I think the implementation of tabbed browsing in Firefox and > Mozilla is very poor. How so? How can tabbed browsing be poor? > There are some popular extensions that greatly enhance > the experience. So, I'm not willing to judge based solely on my experiences > with Firefox. Nevertheless, if Microsoft makes a better *default* tabbed > browsing experience, well, good for them. Ah, I see, so the MS tabbed browsing will be revolutionary and redefine how you work eh? Whatever - fodder. > It seems to me that browser innovation may really be dead when Web designers > start trumpeting features like tabbed browsing. IE has had *no* innovation. That is the point. Web designers are stoked because someone is doing something to further the web technology and experiences. 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