> > Slashdot, perhaps? > > > > I think it might have been actually.
Actually, if I remember correctly, I read something similar on Miguel de Icaza's blog. I think he's a very bright man but given a little too much towards hyperbole. But then, so am I -- give to hyperbole that is. Not very bright. :) > Um... how is that the opposite? Thats exactly what I said. From what I > understand (theory or not) the avalon apps act like Apple dash board > widget but on the desktop - no browser. My impression of what you were arguing (which maybe wrong?) is that Microsoft is attempting to co-opt the Web with Avalon. I was suggesting that Avalon, as far as I can tell, is not intended for general Web use. I believe they are trying to bring the same advantages that Web applications have to traditional desktop applications. > Aside from support - no - read blog yes. Heh, I've never tried to talk to MS support. Maybe that's why we have such different opinions. :) > So you wrote an app that competed with Microsoft, and they told you > what niche you would be allowed to work in with out them crushing you > .... ok ... so? It really wasn't like that. I don't know how to convey it to you. If I could, I'd doubt you'd be convinced. You do realize though, that competing companies sit down and talk all the time, right? The world really isn't as black and white as you're trying to make it out. > And already have more features and a safer experience than IE I agree. They are newer browsers which spent years in development. Microsoft switched focus and lost the lead. They also implemented a lot of features in unsafe ways in the haste to compete with Netscape. But that's just my opinion. > Yes. For sure, Netscape 4 was horrid. IE was the bomb at that point. I > talked many people off of netscape 4 onto IE because it was better by > far. IE sucks now. I really think this is a gross exaggeration. Thinking back to how trying it was to develop cross-browser and cross-platform Web sites several years ago, I think that we've come a long way. In my opinion, it's largely do to Microsoft's early adoption of various standards including CSS-1, XML, XSL, etc. It's been a rocky road and they adopted a few technologies a little too soon. Nevertheless, it's pretty trivial to design sites that work not just in the most popular two browsers, but dozens of browsers with a handful of different rendering engines. > Absolutely not. I am saying I have seen, many times, people in the > "Microsoft Camp" say feature A is pointless no one will use it. Then > MS comes out with Feature A (claims they made it up most times), and > then the same people say Feature A is great! What good are such generalizations? > Well it has for a lot of people. I don't doubt that -- especially power users. I think its usefulness for the every day user is over estimated, however. Very few people open links in new Windows or otherwise proactively manage their Windows. Most people that I've seen simply open up a maximized Window and go. When they are done surfing, they close any Windows that got opened up along the way. Consequently, I don't expected tabbed browsing to have much of an effect on normal users -- whoever they are. > How so? How can tabbed browsing be poor? I believe the Firefox implementation is poor. There are many extensions out there which attempt to improve it. So, I don't think I'm alone in this. I think that some of the extensions make Firefox's tabbed browsing much better. Out of the box, I'd say I prefer Maxthon's implementation. > Ah, I see, so the MS tabbed browsing will be revolutionary and > redefine how you work eh? Whatever - fodder. I said no such thing. > IE has had *no* innovation. That is the point. Web designers are > stoked because someone is doing something to further the web > technology and experiences. Somewhere Microsoft has failed miserably > after having been knighted champion of browser war. If innovation is defined as tabbed browsing, then I'd say that there's very little innovation at all right now. Regardless, I'm glad that there are browsers out there that may be pushing Microsoft to improve upon Internet Explorer. Frankly, I think that security -- perceived or otherwise -- is the real impetus. But I'll take what I can get where I get it. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195159 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
