Brian, you put your finger on the problem precisely. I cant count the number of times I've started off doing something in flash, only to be stymied about half way through, scratching my head and saying to myself ... 'yes, use that command .. but WHERE?" or "I dont have a menu like that .. so where else might it be?" or 'i could find that here yesterday, now it isn't there?"
( I assume that last case is because I had some other parameter different than last time I tried, but which parameter? no idea.) Then it gets all too hard and I still have a family and a life to lead, so I throw flash away for another 4 months until i get motivated to try again. I dont blame anyone in the flash community - they're almost all eager to help, but I think they're so close to the thing they have no idea that someone like me might be totally lost. Not even the examples in the FlashMX help files seem to be working for me. For example (and this is only one example of the multiple frustrations with dealing with flash) .. I installed the flashMX remoting components. I executed the install file FlashRemotingComponents-win-en.exe to be precise, and let it do whatever it wanted. But i can't find any file called netservices.as anywhere on my system. SO it's one thing to say "include netservices.as' but where the *&#%&^% is the damn thing? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:03:08 -0800, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > flash, then use the #include "blah.as" command, and start coding > > everything > > in actionscript. From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie. > > I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script > > parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use > > the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the > > process.... > > I'm going to guess that it's "help" like this (no offence Mark...you're a > helpful guy) that is hurting poor Eric ;-) > > I've played with remoting a fiar amount (on and off)...and I've honestly > never had that epiphany "oh...that's the big picture...of course!!" > > In the above "helpful" paragraph I'd say: > > -What's the #include "blah.as" command (OK so I do know that one...but a > newb would need to understand that the command is used in Flash in > ActionScript) > > -Help files integrated into the help tree (cool...but from where) > > -NetConnectionDebugger and Trace() (newbie says what??) (again...I've had > some experience with them...but you get the point)...These are > tools/utilities built into Flash that you can use to see what's going on > under the hood....to use them you...blah blah blah (explain where to find > and how to use these tools). > > I fee yer pain Eric (especially because I have to dive back into this stuff > to be up to date on my Flash to give a CF7 and Flash preso to a bunch of > Java and .NET developers next month) > > Cheers > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > phone: 250.480.0642 > fax: 250.480.1264 > cell: 250.920.8830 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > web: www.electricedgesystems.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark A Kruger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 7:53 AM > Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever > > > Eric, > > > > Take heart - we do a lot of this and once you get your head around it it's > > not so hard. My approach has been to "design" a form or data display in > > flash, then use the #include "blah.as" command, and start coding > > everything > > in actionscript. From that point on Flash because a way to test my movie. > > I use Homesite+ to edit my action script files, I have an action script > > parser and a bunch of help files integrated into the help tree. And I use > > the netconnectiondebugger and the trace( ) command to introspect the > > process.... When I'm satisfied I turn the whole thing over to a flash guru > > and have him add animation and widgets etc. It's figuring out how to get > > rid > > of all the "helpful" panels and visual aids that is the hard part :) > > > > As for your include remoting files you need the following commands > > #include > > "netservices.as" and #include "netdebug.as" (that's from memory - so > > sombody > > correct me if I get the file names wrong). If you installed the remoting > > components for flash from devnet they will already be in the includes > > folder > > for you so you don't need to worry about not find them. Put them at the > > top > > of the action pane for the first frame. > > > > -Mark > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:27 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever > > > > > > Amen. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Fri 2/18/2005 6:35 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Flash Remoting remains as elusive as ever > > > > > > > > I confess, I am still totally flumoxed by flash remoting. I have done > > a lot of things with CFCs, and I understand the ColdFusion side of it, > > but when it comes to the flash side of things, I can never find any > > resource that can lead me to getting even the most simple of things to > > work. > > > > For example .. I went to EasyCFM tonight to follow a beginners Flash > > Remoting tutorial, having decided that I ought to put in whatever > > effort was required to get my mind around it. My heart sank when > > the first instruction related to the flash end of it went awry. "From > > the File menu, choose New from Template, and go down to web" it says. > > Nope. Not on my FlashMX2004Professional. No such menu item. > > > > I knew immediately that this was a tutorial written for another > > version of Flash, and yet again nothing on my flash version would > > correlate with the tutorial. > > > > And so it went on - "The first thing we do is include the necessary > > links to external Actionscript files that enable Flash Remoting." > > but no clue given about including .. WHERE? > > > > This has been teh case with all the tutorials I've tried to follow in > > the past, and the three books I have, bear little relationship to the > > version I have - a fully registered FlashMX2004Professional. > > > > Does anyone know of a beginners tutorial related to THIS version of > > flash? There are so many differences between one version and another > > - nothing seems to be in the same place twice when I look. I've > > learned from experience that you can enter stuff into flash but unless > > you have previously clicked the right frame and the right layer within > > the frame, nothing works. So for a tutorial to be any use to > > beginners, it has to give that information too. Simply saying > > "include the necessary links" is quite useless to a beginner (well > > this beginner anyway). > > > > I once tried to get help through the flash lists, but they did the > > same thing. They tried their hardest to be helpful, but because they > > all know what to do, they forget to include the most basic information > > that isnt obvious to people like me who havent even got the simplest > > most elementary flash things to work. > > > > Is it a vain hope that there is a really basic beginners tutorial for > > flashMX2004Professional 7.2? > > > > Is it too much to ask that tutorial writers and book authors state > > what versions of things they're writing with? > > > > -- > > Cheers > > Mike Kear > > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > > AFP Webworks > > http://afpwebworks.com > > ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195392 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
