Micha, I had 2 points, which apparently you missed for the same reason I missed any valid points in yours. Attitude. Apparently you don't like mine, which is fair, since I generally don't like yours. While, however I did mean to challenge both your content and demeanor, I did so without disrespecting you... or at least without intending to. I even agreed with a couple of your statements, so the level of snide disrespect in your response is both unappreciated and unwarranted.
My 2 points were this: #1 - Given the option between Breeze and Webex, which are indeed the only 2 substantive options outside of Yahoo Instant Messenger and a webcam *that I know of*, and from an end-users perspective, I would choose Breeze. #2 - You present yourself as a Macromedia-hating hypocrite, willing to benefit from their work whily incessantly berating them on lists. :P It's NOT my fault that while you're ripping on them day in and day out, eventually, it starts to sound like a scratched record. Last night my tolerance threshold was low, so I said what I was thinking. Life Goes On. More comments inline... On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:31:40 +0100, Micha Schopman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh no.. not again .. this gets boring. As you might have read, I > actually do like and use the product, but I noticed some things which > need improvement. Am I allowed to comment on that for a product which > costs $200.000 for 150 participants? Thank you very much. Sure, Be My Guest. Oops, you already did that commentating. Never mind. Did you get to the part where I said that Ben Forta's Breeze on MX 7 did what you seemed to be saying wouldn't work? Did you further get to the point that I asked for clarification because of the contradictions between my experience and your statements? > 1: Get some insight info on support, or even look for 10 seconds at the > forums. Scratch your head, and come to the conclusion I might be right. Or come to the conclusion that I already said we had the same point but came at it from different directions... an equally viable conclusion. And read what I said about not using what you can't support. Like I said, I was agreeing with your content and disagreeing your presentation... > > 2: Read my points, ... why certain things didn't work out well. I am not > coming up with nonsense arguments. Very true... you're simply presenting your arguments in a very negative and distracting way. Your content gets lost in the pedantism. > 3: There are several other products on the market. Please don't be > Macromedia blind, and look further at other possibilities. Some people > really act like Macromedia gave birth to them. So THAT's why I use Eclipse. Since I think that only Macromedia can do anything right, I'm just using Eclipse to play a trick on myself? I'm confused, again... which happens easily enough. Apparently because I disagreed with you, and made a specific point regarding your perpetually negative attitude, that means I'm an MM addict, is that your contention? Because I support, endorse, and enjoy their products... is that why you've labeled me "Macromedia-blind"? Think again. And do not presume to know what I think beyond what I say. > 4: I work with the Macromedia products since they started delivering > Flash, so don't even go there. ;) First of all, I'll go where I please... thank you. Second, how long you've been using Flash is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that I don't think I've seen you, once, present a positive perspective on CF, Flash, Dreamweaver, or anything Macromedia's written. If it's that bad, why not switch to .NET or Java, permanently? It seems as though you really do dislike Macromedia products... forgive me for supporting them, I happen to like 90% of what they've produced. I'd probably like the other 10%, too, if I had opportunity to use it. > 5: Stop the hilarious DHTML discussion (which seems to come out of > nowhere), you making a fool of yourself, which makes it hard for me to > handle you with the respect you might deserve. Come with arguments, > instead of flames, it might turn out a valuable discussion after all. Now that's a bit harsh, because I never involved myself in the DHTML discussion until now, I don't really care if I make a fool of myself so long as I'm having a good time in the process, I don't really give a monkey's tupee if you respect me or not, and I did not flame you. I challenged you, your facts, and your presentational style. I even agreed with you on some points... and where I disagreed, I had something to say... and where I commented on the attitude with which you present information, I said so without demeaning you. In any case, have a most excellent weekend, and I'll catch you later! J -- Continuum Media Group LLC Burnsville, MN 55337 http://www.web-relevant.com http://cfobjective.neo.servequake.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. 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