Forgive me if I'm missing something here but isn't this a bit of a step backwards?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole Flash based RIA thing was supposed to address the difficulty with producing the kind of applications you can produce with AJAX - as Micha pointed out - these kind of applications require domscript gurus and are not for the faint hearted. I would I imagine due to cross browser issues. Flash has a few advantages such as a consistent look and feel across platforms, and mobile support (and yes I'm aware of the disadvantages) - I'm confused why the sudden uptake as a result of Google' recent applications. As others have pointed out this is nothing new. I guess Macromedia really did shoot themselves in the foot with the pricing of Flex - I can' help but wonder the type of applications and rapid uptake we would have seen had they not priced it so high. Just my 2 pence (before someone asks for this to be moved to cf-community) Kola > -----Original Message----- > From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 17 March 2005 17:41 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Ajax > > Ajax is all about efficiently using the available techniques today, and > putting them to use by preventing full page reloads. > > Seperate presentation from markup, prevent full page reloads, dramatically > improve the user experience. > > Currently 99% of the web applications are not put to their full potential. > > - Why are we still reloading entire grids when we only remove one row? > > - Why do we reload entire treeviews when we expand a level, when we can > dynamically load the expanded part when necessary. > > - Why do we force complete reloads when we click a link and the resulting > page behaves the same, only with the article shown. > > That's what Ajax is about. Ajax is about reusing the page, putting > techniques to work result in only to reload parts of a page that have > changed instead of reloading entire pages. > > The end result, responsive interfaces, bandwidth savings (we saved 83%), > dynamic interfaces, customization options. The still static interface > becomes truly a dynamic one like Google did with Gmail. > > About the Backbase question, yes it is all JavaScript. > > Section 508 does not deny you using Javascript, it only forces you to come > up with alternative ways of displaying data. > > ________________________________ > > From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thu 3/17/2005 5:50 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Ajax > > > > I've only read the first article that MD posted, but from that I was able > to > gather one huge advantage: faster reaction times between user initiated > events and program responses. > > My main concern is the heavy reliance on javascript and elaborate client > side scripting to perform these tasks. Isn't scripting something that can > be > easily turned off, and would that render these sites useless? Not to > mention > javascript-only functionality is a section 508 no-no. > > > > Can someone explain in broad terms what Ajax et al can do? why would I > > want > > to use it? > > > > ....and yes Mike...I'll sign up for the new list ;-) > > > > Cheers > > > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > > phone: 250.480.0642 > > fax: 250.480.1264 > > cell: 250.920.8830 > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > web: www.electricedgesystems.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:27 AM > > Subject: Re: Ajax > > > > > >> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:08:51 +0100, Micha Schopman > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Rob, > >>> > >>> Ajax isn't from Google. It is a name "thought up" by someone from > >>> Adaptive Path which probably did it because of personal PR stunt, but > >>> the name eventually floated around the blogs as the new handle for the > >>> combination of xhtml + css + xmlhttprequest. It is easier to say Ajax, > >>> than Single Paged Interface, XmlHttpRequest, Dynamic JavaScript > >>> MuchoBlabla framework, etc. > >> > >> Ah I didn't know that - I've only perused the links as I kind of know > >> how it works already > >> > >>> However, this approach to the web isn't something Google invented, > >> > >> yeah no kidding ;-D - Neuromancer was out around the same time as Flex > >> which was well before this stuff started going around. > >> > >>> So for me it is funny to see the "Google" invented it stamp on it, > >>> because others like Erik (webfx) have been using it for quite some > time > >>> now. It only needed that enormous exposure, and I hope it continuous. > >> > >> Yeah me too > >> > >>> So, just use Ajax, Google has nothing to do with it, except doing > >>> marketing for us developers. > >> > >> Well, Neuromancer is a set of libraries that abstract, use, provide > >> factories for, and marshal objects using Ajax then - :) > >> > >> Thanks for the clear up Micha > >> > >> -- > >> ~Blog~ > >> http://www.robrohan.com > >> ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ > >> http://cfeclipse.tigris.org > >> ~open source xslt IDE~ > >> http://treebeard.sourceforge.net > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. 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