"secure" as in the product or as in "insecure" as in some of the users?

 And to answer Micha:
 I hope one of the things Adobe does with cfm is to license its use in schools 
and such for free and use its deep photoshop roots to entrench it in a lot of 
these "designer" programs.

 Why?
 How many sites out there count as "php" sites because they use 1 php page to 
process an email? But does that make them a php site? I would say no, they only 
use PHP because their teachers hand them a php script to send mail, the same 
way most of us probably used Matts cgi mail script in the past. Of course they 
are just "designers" but many will eventually learn some server side language 
and since they are familiar (loosely) with php they go right 4 that. So my 
point is too make cfm an option to them thats available and it will carry over 
and since Photoshop & illustrator won't be replaced anytime soon they already 
have the market hold. Also educate people more on cfm since the general web 
public is very much uniformed of the actual details of cfm.

 For the record, yeah it woulda been cool to see cfm banners everywhere but I 
also saw MM but some serious cash in marketting where it needed to be, for me 
personally it was Bens tour and the big shabang they put on here in Denver, 
personally showing us in person first hand some of the new things and I would 
take that anyday over a banner ad. Leave the banners for the cash cows that let 
them continue the dev of our beloved product.

 also~ I wouldnt worry about Adobe dissing cfml, think about it, this whole 
deal is a direct threat to m$ and is aimed at the very heart of what m$ planned 
for the future, I seriously doubt they would kill off anything that takes 
business away from them bungholes. And hopefully with the extra cash Adobe has 
they can really market the bejesus outta cfml.

 Like I said before though, I hope they let the MM guys redo their site, haha

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From: Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 4:47 PM
To: CF-Talk <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: CFMX: Dissed by Breeze and FlashLite? 

On 5/3/05, Matt Osbun  wrote:
> The thread (kinda) started out on marketing CF, and in my experience,
> this has always been a glaring weakness in how CF is perceived.

And, just for the record, does anyone think that adding a rotating ad
banner to the home page of macromedia.com would do anything to change
that perception (about security)?
-- 
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