" I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with its hood welded shut?" yeah, what the hell would I being doing under the hood when it's built by a solid company that will take care of any issues that arise. Seems more trustable then querying a bunch of half-ass cheap ameturs who THINK they know everything but they don't, I surely wouldn't want to base my lively hood on them!
" But what if someone--or some group of people--were kind enough to give you a home?" That would mean I was a complete idiot basket case with some lame excuse why I can't do or buy something on my own without pitty from outside sources. I would also be concerned that those who have "given" me my home also know the real sneaky way of getting into my home without me knowing. I would also be concerned with if a problem were to arise having to as the neighborhood "handymen" to fix it and wait for the fight to end and hope to god the winner is right, I would rather go to the builder and have it fixed correctly. " Seriously though, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html tells us that "free software is a matter of liberty, not price."" Sure and you can go get your programs from a warez site as well and I'm sure they send along a few additional "free" items as well. " I know I'm not an expert in business (nor do I have the experience as much as you do), but I believe that unless you're convincing a client who's very knowledgeable with web development, you can never convince him using esoteric technical arguments no matter how valid they are. The fact is, a less competent person will probably get the job if he has better social skills than you do. They will get the job even if they charge higher than you do." you are kinda right here, if this was me i would push the whole cf vs lamp aside at first and go after the general things of the website. Look at the competitors past sites and find the issues that you are strong at. Like right now I use their poorly coded html 4.01 which doesn't validate and they rely on keywords for search engines and I go in with xhtml and content is king and the whole compliance thing and it's usually a done deal at that point. One time I was up against a php dev'r and i basically had the shop set up a meeting with all of us in attendance. I let them present their case then I started on mine. They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed on a lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't know against them very strongly. Then I had them go up to white board and write on whiteboard a typical php page, making a db call and returning a recordset. And then I did the same but in cfm, needless to say i was done in less than half the time with smaller readable code. And then I brought up "well sure the server licence is $1200 but as you can see the typical cfm page takes half the time with half the code and I'm sure you can do the math to how much quicker the site will be done and the dev'r saving you will have achived, which will give you the room to add the additional options that were previously outta the budget...." I base a lot of stuff on most peoples sites might be well coded but just plain ugly and thats just as important as thats what the customers see. " I love PHP because it's so beautiful, flexible, and intelligent." Personally, I think PHP is the ugly mutt that got whipped twice with the ugly stick and you can't even look at it without feeling sorry for it :) So it's kinda like your friends girlfriend, lol. ~Dave the disruptor~ This bottle of lemonaid says "contains no lemon juice" and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice" figures @%*((&% ---------------------------------------- From: Simon Cornelius P. Umacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:51 AM To: CF-Talk <[email protected]> Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP > Would you take your bmw to some cheap mechanic that only used free > tools or the new state of the art repair center? I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with its hood welded shut? > Did you fall for the dumb scam of "we don't charge any closing fees" > when you bought your new home? But what if someone--or some group of people--were kind enough to give you a home? > Nothin is really free........... The grace of God, perhaps? ;) Seriously though, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html tells us that "free software is a matter of liberty, not price." "To understand the concept, you should think of 'free' as in 'free speech,' not as in 'free beer.'" I know I'm not an expert in business (nor do I have the experience as much as you do), but I believe that unless you're convincing a client who's very knowledgeable with web development, you can never convince him using esoteric technical arguments no matter how valid they are. The fact is, a less competent person will probably get the job if he has better social skills than you do. They will get the job even if they charge higher than you do. [ simon.cpu ] p.s.: I love PHP because it's so beautiful, flexible, and intelligent. PHP is like my girlfriend. I somewhat love ColdFusion because it's the technology that brings food to my table. ColdFusion is like my mom. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208291 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
