Marketability...now that's true...but I can't get my clients
to use well what I build now for them, much less fancy apps
based on AS, JS, AJAX, and Flash...

Rick


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:12 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web
> applications?
> 
> 
> I mean employability in a more broad sense than being an employee.
> 
> If you prefer, replace employability with marketability... :) 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:23 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web 
> applications?
> 
> Not interested in employability as in "being an employee"...
> I'm self-employed and plan to stay that way...can never be fired.
> Does have its drawbacks, but for me it's the only way to go.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:03 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web 
> > applications?
> > 
> > 
> > Additionally, learning Javascript when in a web appllication world, 
> > can only improve your capabilities and employablity....
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web 
> > applications?
> > 
> > Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work.
> > 
> > - Matt Small
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web 
> > applications?
> > 
> > Thanks for the insights, Barney...
> > 
> > Question:  Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when 
> > some action is performed that triggers it?
> > 
> > Not clear, I know...so...a scenario...
> > 
> > Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame 
> > responds, and causes third frame to respond....like a chain reaction.  
> > If so, would this substitute for concurrency?
> > 
> > Rick
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web 
> > > applications?
> > >
> > >
> > > The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency.  You can't do 
> > > more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's 
> > > two things at a time), which can be very troubling.  With Flash and 
> > > JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is 
> > > very useful.  You also get the capability to pass complex data 
> > > fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, 
> > > which results in a far better user experience.
> > >
> > > And don't think you can use inline frames without JS.  When the 
> > > frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and 
> > > then rebuild the visible document with that new content.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > barneyb
> > >
> > > On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Hi, all...
> > > >
> > > > I've been interested in building web applications that don't 
> > > > require a page refresh for a few years now.  First Iooked at 
> > > > Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't.  
> > > > Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript.
> > > >
> > > > Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited.  But upon further 
> > > > examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other
> > > technologies
> > > > about which I know virtually nothing.  (And no...I don't have a 
> > > > market at this time that would justify the effort)
> > > >
> > > > My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone 
> > > > mentioned recently as their method for building applications)
> > > to simulate
> > > > "non-page refreshing" apps?
> > > >
> > > > I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback 
> > > > on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I
> > > can stick
> > > > to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no 
> > > > Actionscript...sounds good to me.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline 
> > > > frames usage to build apps?
> > > >
> > > > What am I missing?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any feedback and guidance...
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Barney Boisvert
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > 360.319.6145
> > > http://www.barneyb.com/
> > >
> > > Got Gmail? I have 100 invites.
> > >
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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