Eclipse is not bad... it could use some improvement, and I'm guessing after whatever adobe contributed to eclipse gets released it will be even better, but it's good now...
It was kind of buggy and still is in the 1.2 version (which is the final stable version posted on cfeclipse.org), but if you download the nightly build, it's much more user friendly (at least I feel it is). Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:09 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta > > So what about those of us who just don't like Eclipse? I've tried it > several > times and each time I return to my copy of Editplus wondering what all of > you are raving about. > > I'm now knocking it, or you Dave, but it I don't care WHAT it can do, the > fact is that it's competing against other stuff that can do the same thing > and some of those options are free. It just seem a little excessive for > Adobe to charge $999. Why not $500? Or even $600. > > <!----------------//------ > andy matthews > web developer > ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --------------//---------> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:57 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flex 2 and Ben Forta > > > > I do still think it's a bit of a cheek to charge the > > equivalent of a full app suite (or a new PC for that matter) > > for a plugin - no matter how wonderful it is. As to whether > > it would save me time/money thats a moot point. Flex 2 is > > not the only option out there, and wearing either of my hats > > (as an independent developer or as a member of a large dev > > team working for a not for profit) $1000 is a lot to spend > > per seat - especially as we would probably need the server > > as well. > > I don't really understand why it matters whether it's a plugin or a "full > app suite". What matters to me is what it allows you to do. I'd much > rather > pay $1000 for FlexBuilder as a plugin to Eclipse, which is somewhat of a > known quantity, than have Adobe spend time and developer resources to > build > an entire IDE from scratch. They'd have to charge more for it just to > cover > their costs, and it probably wouldn't be nearly as good. And again, the > only > thing that should matter is whether it helps you deliver better > applications > faster, at least enough to offset the per-seat cost! > > And yes, Flex 2 is not the only option out there. But it's fundamentally > different from the other options that are available. Based on what I've > seen > so far, I think it's quite a bit better than the other options. In my > opinion, AJAX is hardly comparable to Flex 2 - and I've been working with > AJAX (and AJAXish predecessor) applications for a long, long time. You > don't > need to listen to me, though. Download the open beta and see for yourself! > > > I am interested in Flex2, I am also interested in Ajax and > > several other options - money will be a big part of any > > decisions made. To set up 2 servers and 12 developers to use > > Flex might be a very significant outlay. > > According to my understanding, you don't necessarily have to purchase any > server component at all. You can use Flex to talk to CF applications, web > services, etc. without any server component. The optional server component > is very impressive, though - it provides some very useful pieces of > functionality, like the ability to tie into JMS very easily. As for your > not-for-profit development team, Adobe may offer alternative pricing for > different sorts of organizations, so you may be able to get it cheaper > than > I can. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:233923 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
