dave wrote:
> The thing I always hear about frameworks is about how much easier it is to 
> manage but yet all of them really slow down the apps for the end user which I 
> can't see the good of since a the apps aren't made for the developers they 
> are made for the users yet they are penalized so the developers can have an 
> easier day........
>   
I think what you are forgetting is that even if you aren't using 
Fusebox, Mach-II, Model-Glue, MVC or any other named application 
framework, then as long as you writing a well structured application 
with reusable code and all those other good programming techniques,  
whether that be procedural or object oriented, you are still using a 
framework... So basically you are saying all applications are slow and 
difficult to manage.
 ;oD


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