css layouts really arent that difficult and in the end are much faster to build then hacking your way thru tables sites. A lot of ppl really do focus on the "hacks" for css but really you can do it without many or any at all. Which is good because until ms gets their collective heads outta their bums its gunna be another one of those things that gets held back because of their failures.
On the other hand the problem with all these ppl that have been doing all these hacks for ie are gunna get royally ram rodded because ie7 is breaking them all.. thanks again m$ ~Dave - formerly known as "the disruptor"~ ---------------------------------------- From: "Rick Faircloth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:40 PM To: CF-Talk <[email protected]> Subject: RE: SOT: Would Dreamweaver help the transition from CF 4.5 to CF 7? I've been giving CSS a go, but I'll tell you, I found it to be too laborious trying to figure out how to make everything work at all, then trying to figure out all the hacks for different browsers, etc. I joined the CSS-discuss list, which is a lot like this one, but most of the time those guys were talking about how to make something work with Opera or others browsers which I don't really care to cater to. Don't know how good it'll be, but MS has a Expressions Web Designer in beta that I've looked at. It's supposed to provide automated CSS layout. Didn't try it... I was just trying to figure out if I wanted to bother with ASP.Net 2.0... Rick -----Original Message----- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Would Dreamweaver help the transition from CF 4.5 to CF 7? I hand code everything. And I'm not trying to sound snobby when I say that, really, I just have never found a good enough tool that creates easily maintainable, clean html code. They all add in shims that are nearly impossible to deal with maintenance-wise, unrecognizable image names, the list goes on. Most code generators also create quite un-search engine friendly code, which is a huge part of our business. I can't tell you how many sites we've basically rewritten that were created with CS, DW, and ::shudder:: FrontPage. Also, we're creating more and more CSS-based layouts, which, as far as I know isn't something that code generators have figured out how to do yet. Rick Faircloth wrote: > But hand coding HTML just seems like building a car from scratch just > because I want to add some options... > > Code generators, when they generate code that works well, even if it's > not as clean as it could be, are just so much faster when I'm working > on a design interface. > > Do you write all your code, HTML and otherwise manually? Or do you > use anything that generates code? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:38 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: SOT: Would Dreamweaver help the transition from CF 4.5 to CF 7? > > James Holmes wrote: >> People will heap rubbish on it as usual but to me it's indispensable. > > I liked DW, but it was just so damn slow and resource hogging. And > yes, I went through all the diagnostics with several people here, > there is nothing wrong with my machine. I know several people, > including two in my office, who have the same issues with DW on their > home and work computers. Now, I dunno if 8 got any better, since I > stopped using it after 2004. HomeSite+ rocks, IMO. But, I suppose, > if you need a WYSIWYG, then DW prolly is the best way to go. > > Hand-code, Rick! WYSIWYG is for high school kids. :) > > -- > ~~~ Ray Champagne :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:244027 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
