By 0 to 60 I am referring to the learning curve. Backbase has a steep one.

Exactly on the pricing. If they had reasonable pricing for not just large 
corp's, they might have a better adoption because it is very robust.

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Subject: Re: Ajax - Whats everybody using?


> Yep, I have used it extentively and I love it. You described it to a tee. 
> It
> is an application framework not a library in the sense of other listings. 
> It
> is a Flex HTML rival. It is not aiming to be an plug n play js library.
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> What is all this nonsense about 0 to 60? :-)
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> It's debugging is amazing, it has all the features you can think of, but
> again, as you rightly note it is expensive. But as they noted, large
> companies such as ours do not care about 5K :-)
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> If money is not your concern and you want to build an RIA app, not just an
> Ajax tool then it should be considered.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John C. Bland II
> To: CF-Talk
> Sent: Thu Aug 31 17:12:39 2006
> Subject: Re: Ajax - Whats everybody using?
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> Neil, Backbase is more robust, I'll give it that, but have you used it.
> Speaking specifically about 0 to 60, Backbase is horrible. It takes you
> completely away from your normal way of handling xhtml and attempts to
> provide MXML/XAML functionality. The things it can do are pretty
> amazing/great but their implementation simply isn't desireable AND the 
> price
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> is ridiculous.When I spoke to them about it the reps answer was (in my
> words; it has been some months since I spoke to them) "the big companies
> don't mind the price." We went round and round but ultimately he said to
> wait a few weeks for an announcement regarding the community edition.
> Anyways, Backbase forces you to change your entire infrastructure and base
> it around them. For Ajax, that isn't desireable.
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> I doubt Tom is using Spry because it is free. Spry is a great tool and 0 
> to
> 60, as I said, it is #1 in my book. Most ajax toolkits are free and those
> that cost, to me, aren't worth it. You can grab a DHTML library and
> something like JSMX and rival Backbase, or others, any day.
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> Disclaimer:
> That is all IMO. :-)
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> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 3:55 AM
> Subject: RE: Ajax - Whats everybody using?
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>> That only cause it is free? I would say Backbase is better than Spry but
>> it
>> is pricey
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 31 August 2006 11:36
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Ajax - Whats everybody using?
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>> On Thursday 31 August 2006 05:21, Rey Bango wrote:
>>> For those doing Ajax work in conjunction with CF, I'd like to know what
>>> framework(s) you're using.
>>
>> Flex2 :-)
>> More seriously, if I were doing a DHTML project I'd pick Spry.
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