CF does have excellent session management. However, it is 6K per box to do it. The alternative is to use hardware load balancing with CF standard. This brings its own set of issues.
..NET's enterprise level session management is free. So, when you're running 40+ servers, that's a huge cost benefit. BTW: I think that CF will be around for a long, long time. However, if you just look at the job boards, you'll see the difference in market share. Recently I've noticed that there have been more CF jobs out there and that is fantastic. But it simply pales in comparison to .NET. My point was that IF Adobe wants to stop .NET from taking the big sites, it needs to seriously rethink it's pricing. CF is good for a small shop where a few licenses is not going to break the bank. But once you start getting into sites that have double digit servers, it becomes a big problem to stay current, not to mention that the same application will run on half the hardware. Businesses are in business to make money. Not deal in purist technical philosophies. Unfortunately, Microsoft and Mono have excellent products that both happen to be free. I personally just don't feel that Adobe is in touch with the marketplace when it thinks $5999.00 is justifiable in any way shape or form. I am sorry, it just isn't. Java is free until you get into large scale EJB servers etc. Then it gets incredibly expensive. Look at Sun's earnings and you'll see a real problem there. IBM's WebSphere has an almost immeasurable share of the market and you'd be hard pressed to find many jobs. Here, let me illustrate this by way of employment opportunties: WebSphere 2 results: http://www.texas.computerjobs.com/job_results.aspx?searchid=96955955&scope=r esults&s_kw=WebSphere&s_city=&s_jcid= ColdFusion (2 listings) http://www.texas.computerjobs.com/job_results.aspx?searchid=0&scope=results&; s_kw=ColdFusion&s_jcid= C# / .NET 104 results http://www.texas.computerjobs.com/job_results.aspx?searchid=96956081&scope=r esults&s_kw=.NET+C%23&s_city=&s_jcid= That doesn't even include VB.NET, J++, etc and so on. </end rant> -- Phil =============> -----Original Message----- From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? I don't think I could disagree more. I've been around the CF community for a few minutes now, and I see the exact opposite. Now maybe in your market this is true, but I can assure that CF, at least in the government sector where I work, has been growing like crazy. There are tons of CF jobs in the Washington DC area. Also, how does CF not have excellent session management? I mean, we use groups of clustered boxes that give us excellent response times, up times, and they all share our session information. Just wondering what site was it that you were on that had al of this crazy traffic? I thought that Myspace has been about the largest web application in the world for the last couple of years. > -----Original Message----- > From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > Steve, > > Let me start by saying I have been with CF since 1996. > > I've recently learned .NET via C# as well. The resemblance of C# > to Java is > remarkable which made the learning curve much faster for me. > However, I must > agree with you and also add that ASP.NET 2.0 is faster / requires less > hardware to host the same ap. It has built in enterprise session > capability > that allows your SQL database to track your session state and much more. > > After about 6 months of learning / using .NET, I don't see myself using > ColdFusion as a recommended middleware for large scale sites or > clients that > are on a budget. The company that I work for HAD the highest traffic > ColdFusion site on the planet. > > Here is a situation similar to mine: > http://members.microsoft.com/CustomerEvidence/Common/FileOpen.aspx > ?FileName= > 10625_ComputerJobs_bizversion_300k.wvx > > The thing that I don't agree with that CJ.com said was about the number of > developers it took to maintain the sites pre / post conversion. They must > have had some code org. issues, because that has been the same for us. > > Unfortunately, I can see the writing on the wall for CF unless > Adobe adopts > a DRAMATIC pricing reduction strategy. Plain and simply put, with .NET and > Mono in the market, CF can no longer increase market share whilst > continuing > to maintain / increase their pricing. They're not the only game > in town and > they need to start acting like it. > > I pains me to write this publicly about CF. So please no flames. I hate it > just as much as the next CF'er. However, I am relieved that I have finally > learned .NET because the .NET to CF job ratio is about 100:1 at least. > Holding on exclusively to a versus mentality will only hurt > yourself in the > end. > > > > --Phil > > ===========> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a slight edge in > development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since the days of > original ASP. Now that ASP.NET has a top-notch visual designer, there are > times when coding an ASP.NET application can be even faster than > CF - given > that the programmers knowledge of both is equal. > > Steve Brownlee > http://www.fusioncube.net/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:57 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > > Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in .NET still > > valid - when comparing latest to latest - anyone expert on say Asp.Net > > ... I just know VB myself, > > > > TK > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:254782 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
