It was on BSD at one point, but they may have thrown that aside. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:51 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > "ASP.NET is OS independent" > > Erm, AFAIK it only works on Windows (supported). > > > > > > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, > Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is > confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive > use of the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) > please note > that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error please return it to the > sender or call > our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed > within this > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Bland II > To: CF-Talk > Sent: Fri Sep 29 17:42:44 2006 > Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > Dude, you are arguing just to argue. lol. Calm down a bit. > > WDDX? Are you serious? :-D I wish my laughing emoticon worked here. lol. > There are tons of reasons why you may want to write your own > session handler > > OR just write a new intermediary to connect with another db type, > use file > system, etc. You really can't comment here unless you know what ASP.NET > offers in the way of session customization. So you can use Java, write a > service factory, blah blah. How long will that take for the common CF > developer (medium to advanced level)? Seriously. Now research how > to do it > in ASP.NET and do it in a much shorter timespan. > > First off, the same flex/flash controls can be used in any language so no > need to boast that. Yes, Flash forms are CF only but aren't very > usable for > the common CF developer that doesn't know AS (for complex things > that is). > Your controls statement about .net is off. You can easily create your own > controls that provide intellisense and the 9 in minutes. > > ASP.NET is OS independent as well. I simply said you can leverage the OS > MUCH better than in CF. That is it and all. > > Mobile, web, desktop blah blah blah. Dude, again...arguing just > to argue. I > was merely clarifying that you can't compare CF to .NET. There is > no battle > there. .NET as a whole is way beyond CF for the simple fact that > .NET is not > > a web programming language like CF. ASP.NET is. That is the > comparison you > make. Too many people compare .NET to CF...you just can't. That > is my only > point. > > I'm not arguing the price here. All I'm saying is that is what > most people > have to go on. I could care less if Adobe drops the price or not. > I think it > > would be the best decision for CF and the community but who > cares. We're a > small shop and will continue to shell out the cash for our CF license(s). > > No, we haven't purchased a J2EE server. No need. > > To bottom line this for you man, I'm a hardcore CF lover. We use > it often. > Our site is built with it. We do client work with it. I write > about it. With > > all of that said, .NET's abilities (ASP.NET included) far exceed > CF when you > > get beyond cfquery and simple output stuff. Seriously, learn C# and do a > ...NET site. You will see what I mean. Again, I love CF and am > not turning my > > back on it. You just SERIOUSLY need to open your mind a bit. I > was you less > than a year ago. Arguing for no reason. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:24 AM > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > > > > Yes I can it's called wddx. > > > > My own session handler? Why would I, they wrote one for me. > If I needed > > more than what it offered I could extend my application using > things like > > the service factory and the other macromedia java objects that are out > > there. I could also just write my own classes. > > > > Can I do mobile, web and desktop applications from the same > platform? No > > I > > can't. I can't do desktop apps, you are correct, so what? If I am on a > > desktop I have a browser. Mobile and web I have covered. > > > > Controls? Leverage the OS? Hell, mine are OS independent, and I am not > > limited by what the controls I have been given or purchased. I > can expand > > my UI using Flex or Flash to give me any and all elements that I need. > > > > The price issue again, jeez. Seriously, with all that speed of > > development > > that you are talking about is the cost really that large of an > issue for > > an > > "ENTERPRISE" solution? > > > > Have you purchased a J2EE server recently? Know how much they cost? > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:14 PM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: Re: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> > >> > >> Loathe, can you store that session data in a database with ease? > >> If so, what > >> database? Can you write your own session handler that integrates > >> with the CF > >> session handler? > >> > >> That's just a few things you can do with .NET. I know the answer to the > >> questions so no need to answer them. > >> > >> To back up some of what Phil said, do what ScottGu did here: > >> http://blogs.katapultmedia.com/jb2/2006/09/scottgu_linq_aspnet_iis > >> _7_and.html. > >> Do that in the amount of time he did it and I will sing praises. :-) > >> > >> The issue here is the power of .net vs CF. .net is > >> enterprise...bottom line. > >> You can build an end to end app in .net (mobile, web, desktop). > >> CF is only > >> web-based so you can only compare asp.net to CF, to be fair about it. > >> > >> CF is definitely faster from 0 to 60 when dealing wtih basic > >> things. Now, if > >> you want to create a datagrid that has paging, sorting, inline > >> updating/deleting, etc in CF you'll be twiddling your thumbs for > >> a while and > >> an ASP.NET developer will be done in 2 minutes. That is the biggest > >> difference between CF and ASP.NET. ASP.NET has controls. CF > >> doesn't. ASP.NET > >> can leverage the entire OS. CF can't. > >> > >> The robustness of ASP.NET cannot be denied. The speed of CF cannot be > >> denied. They both are great tech's and this convo is really a > >> losing battle. > >> Regardless of which one is better in the mind of the > developer, it should > >> always come down to what fits the project best. > >> > >> I do agree that Adobe needs to reduce the price tag, drastically. > >> If CF was > >> free (for example), there wouldn't be much of a complaint by any of the > >> other religious .net'ers, php'ers, etc. Price is the biggest > >> problem in CF. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "CF-Talk" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:01 AM > >> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> > >> > >> >I don't think I could disagree more. > >> > > >> > I've been around the CF community for a few minutes now, and > I see the > >> > exact > >> > opposite. Now maybe in your market this is true, but I can > assure that > >> > CF, > >> > at least in the government sector where I work, has been growing like > >> > crazy. > >> > There are tons of CF jobs in the Washington DC area. > >> > > >> > Also, how does CF not have excellent session management? I mean, we > >> > use > >> > groups of clustered boxes that give us excellent response > >> times, up times, > >> > and they all share our session information. > >> > > >> > Just wondering what site was it that you were on that had al of > >> this crazy > >> > traffic? > >> > > >> > I thought that Myspace has been about the largest web application in > >> > the > >> > world for the last couple of years. > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Phillip Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:30 AM > >> >> To: CF-Talk > >> >> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Steve, > >> >> > >> >> Let me start by saying I have been with CF since 1996. > >> >> > >> >> I've recently learned .NET via C# as well. The resemblance of C# > >> >> to Java is > >> >> remarkable which made the learning curve much faster for me. > >> >> However, I must > >> >> agree with you and also add that ASP.NET 2.0 is faster / > requires less > >> >> hardware to host the same ap. It has built in enterprise session > >> >> capability > >> >> that allows your SQL database to track your session state and > >> much more. > >> >> > >> >> After about 6 months of learning / using .NET, I don't see myself > >> >> using > >> >> ColdFusion as a recommended middleware for large scale sites or > >> >> clients that > >> >> are on a budget. The company that I work for HAD the highest traffic > >> >> ColdFusion site on the planet. > >> >> > >> >> Here is a situation similar to mine: > >> >> http://members.microsoft.com/CustomerEvidence/Common/FileOpen.aspx > >> >> ?FileName= > >> >> 10625_ComputerJobs_bizversion_300k.wvx > >> >> > >> >> The thing that I don't agree with that CJ.com said was about > >> the number > >> >> of > >> >> developers it took to maintain the sites pre / post > >> conversion. They must > >> >> have had some code org. issues, because that has been the > same for us. > >> >> > >> >> Unfortunately, I can see the writing on the wall for CF unless > >> >> Adobe adopts > >> >> a DRAMATIC pricing reduction strategy. Plain and simply > put, with .NET > >> >> and > >> >> Mono in the market, CF can no longer increase market share whilst > >> >> continuing > >> >> to maintain / increase their pricing. They're not the only game > >> >> in town and > >> >> they need to start acting like it. > >> >> > >> >> I pains me to write this publicly about CF. So please no > >> flames. I hate > >> >> it > >> >> just as much as the next CF'er. However, I am relieved that I have > >> >> finally > >> >> learned .NET because the .NET to CF job ratio is about > 100:1 at least. > >> >> Holding on exclusively to a versus mentality will only hurt > >> >> yourself in the > >> >> end. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> --Phil > >> >> > >> >> ===========> > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:19 AM > >> >> To: CF-Talk > >> >> Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> >> > >> >> I use ASP.NET quite a bit, and while I'd still give CF a > slight edge > >> >> in > >> >> development speed, the gap has closed tremendously since the days of > >> >> original ASP. Now that ASP.NET has a top-notch visual > designer, there > >> >> are > >> >> times when coding an ASP.NET application can be even faster than > >> >> CF - given > >> >> that the programmers knowledge of both is equal. > >> >> > >> >> Steve Brownlee > >> >> http://www.fusioncube.net/ > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:57 AM > >> >> > To: CF-Talk > >> >> > Subject: RE: CF vs. .NET presentations? > >> >> > > >> >> > Is the argument that development in CF is quicker then in > .NET still > >> >> > valid - when comparing latest to latest - anyone expert on > >> say Asp.Net > >> >> > ... I just know VB myself, > >> >> > > >> >> > TK > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release > >> Date: 9/22/2006 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >
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