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On 10/1/06, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John C. Bland II wrote:
> > Duh, the rendering engine does not render everything properly and the
> > community has found the necessary hacks to work around them. Did you
> think I
> > was talking about 5 years ago or now?
>
> You were talking about a specific phone call I made in the past. If you
> don't know when that call was exactly, shouldn't you ask before jumping the
> gun?
>
>
> > You even said most hacks are known
> > now. Of course I'm talking about now. I don't know of a "bug" or feature
> > that a hack hasn't been discovered.
>
> And how do you know about them? You know about them because somebody ran
> into them and reported them. Because that is what responsible developers do,
> they report bugs when they encounter them. And I have on occasion used the
> phone for that because other means of reporting issues to MS give the same
> response as a black hole.
>
>
> > Yes, IE 6 bites big time. MSFT has admitted it and pretty much every
> > developer that has ever worked with JS or CSS knows this. I never said
> it
> > doesn't have bugs but to put a blanket statement of "something not
> rendering
> > properly is a bug" is a little much.
>
> But that is not what I wrote. I wrote: "where for instance a bug in IE
> results in incorrect rendering" which defines a causal relation between the
> rendering problem and a bug.
>
> I am not the one making blanket statements, I am just relating my
> experiences.
>
>
> > With every link you provided, isn't there a way around it?
>
> So as long as there is a way around it, it isn't a bug? I think we should
> agree to disagree on that.
>
>
>
> Now that that is cleared up, let's go back to the question I asked. And I
> will even reformulate the question because I would really like to know if MS
> has some decent support to offer for the little guy (and indeed, if the
> support is decent, $245 is pocket change). So:
>
> If I encounter a problem in IE where a bug causes incorrect rendering to
> the point of an application being unuseable, can I just call MS and get a
> patch for IE? Or can I even get somebody to admit that it is a problem in IE
> and not in my code?
>
> Jochem
>
> 

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