> CSS developers aren't considered such unless they can make 
> things work cross-browser. Would you agree?

Agreed, no arguments there.

> Even if you 
> don't, that is my take. I won't hire anyone for XHTML/CSS 
> unless they can work cross-browser. So, again...fix your CSS.

This is where we differ in opinion slightly, but ultimately our
objective is the same - CSS that works consistently cross-browser. I'd
prefer the term *hack* (as I previously used) as opposed to fix. Fix by
definition implies something is broken, and in this case it isn't the
CSS. Semantics here really, but that's my take. 

John wrote:
> I don't know of a "bug" or 
> feature that a hack hasn't been discovered.

And Jochem wrote:
> And how do you know about them? You know about them 
> because somebody ran into them and reported them

I agree with Jochem on this. It's most likely there are still IE6 bugs
in existence we have yet to find, primarily due to the obscurity of the
circumstances and code required to trigger them, but if they're not
reported no-one would ever know.

>With every link you provided, isn't 
> there a way around it? Again, fix your CSS. ;-)

Most of the time, yes there is. I provided some of those links to make
it clear that IE does have bugs that are unrelated to its rendering
engine, and I'm sorry, but I just COULDN'T have people thinking that IE
was in control of everything it did!!  You fix your CSS and I'll hack
mine :-) On the other hand, there are conditional comments to help in
these situations and I wouldn't consider them a hack.
 
> lol. Man...it isn't that serious Mark. I'll try to be more 
> careful in the future not to make statements without being 
> extra detailed.

Ah come now John.  I'm sure you're over it, and maybe my tone came
across a little differently to how I would have liked so I apologise if
it felt like you were getting *bashed*. We all make generalisations,
myself included, and often they are easily misinterpreted. Honestly, I
wasn't actually sure in your initial post whether or not you truly
believed all differences in display were a direct result of the
rendering engine, but that's how it came across...

> > Are you seriously stating you called MSFT about IE not rendering
> > something right? That is definitely not a bug. IE has a rendering
engine.

....It wasn't so much the lack of detail as the inaccuracy of that
statement! Not trying to be an ass here, but my interpretation of the
above was that "all differences in IE rendering are due to its engine".
This was reinforced by use of the word definitely and the fact you had
no information about the rendering issue in question, yet were still
able to confidently state it was not a bug. Was that not a fair
interpretation based on what you wrote? 

Anyway, my intention was not to rant, but perhaps you can see why I
decided to take exception with that paragraph. Oh, and my eyes are bad
so I do squint, but I never type with a frown (my forehead is already
wrinkly), so it's all good!

And I must remember not to use the format <url:http://mylink.com> when
sending links from home *smacks self*

Mark

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