Just wanted to chime in that I also find Fireworks much easier to use than Photoshop/ImageReady when it comes to slicing for the web. If you don't like the 1-pixel shims that it generates, you can change your slicing in the Preferences menu to produce no shims, or shims from image. Also you can set the slice naming convention however you want. I started out with FW2 and never looked back.
I think Macromedia was way ahead of the game in terms of web design (did anyone use Adobe's web design product?), and Adobe saw that which is why Adobe bought MM -- if you can't beat 'em, buy 'em! -- Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Nadel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: RE: tutorials on how to slice a design up? > Andy, > > AWESOME response my man. Thanks so much for taking time to read through > my rant and count-post. I have to say that much of my experience is > geared towards Photoshop directly and not so much towards Image Ready, > so I see from your response that there are a lot of differences between > the two applications. > > I guess the bottom line is that both applications are very high-level > and very capable. I guess another matter of to-each-his-own. > > One thing though is that the whole cick for the context menu of layers > below the cursor. That is a cool feature (and actually something that > would be cool to have in FireWorks)... But more often than not, there's > like 30 items in that last .. YIKES! > > But again, thanks so much for the response (and the blog post). > > -Ben > > ...................... > Ben Nadel > Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > www.bennadel.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:26 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: tutorials on how to slice a design up? > > I'd be happy be happy to do that Ben. I'll address each point in turn: > > 1) Click-Select-Alter Functionality > You say Fireworks just "knows" which layer/object to select. > I say that Photoshop offers so much fliexibility with it's > layers, layers sets > and adjustment layers that Fireworks would just become confused. > As for YOUR > interaction with layers, Photoshop makes it so easy to do. > Here's a short list > of ways you can interact with layers and their data in > Photoshop. > > creating new layers > CTRL + SHIFT + N = new layer (and name it) > CTRL + SHIFT + ALT + N = new layer no naming options > > dealing with multiple layers > CTRL + [ or ] = moves a layer up and down in the stack > CTRL + SHIFT + [ or ] = moves a layer to the top or bottom of > the stack > > ALT + [ or ] = selects the next visible layer (up or down) in > the stack > ALT + SHIFT + [ or ] = selects the bottom or top layer in the > stack > > If you want to select a specific visible object on the workboard > but you don't > know what layer it's on: > CTRL + right click brings up a menu of layers directly under > your cursor > CTRL + ALT + right click takes you to the very top layer under > your cursor > > Photoshop does not offer any sort of visual feedback on the > currently selected > RASTER object, but it does offer visual clues for text boxes and > vector objects. > > 2) Data Driven Graphics Wizard > I believe that Photoshop offers this functionality, but I've not > used it. I know > that Illustrator has had this for the last 3 versions. > > 3) Flash-Style Symbol Library > Photoshop doesn't offer a library of symbols like FW does, but > it does have layer > styles. This lets you create one styles and apply it to multiple > layers/objects. > It also allows you to do this action to "all linked layers". > > 4) Flash-Style Interface > This will soon be a non-issue as Adobe will be appliying the > same interface to > all of their applications in the next iteration. > > 5) Improved Optimization > As I haven't used FW in many years I can't say that this is > true. However, when I > switched back to Photoshop a few years ago, I found it just the > opposite. > Image Ready > file sizes and quality were leaps and bounds ahead of FW. I'm > sure that the two apps > played leapfrog. > > 6) Multiple Frames > Photoshop doesn't offer this (that I know of) but Image Ready > does. IMO Image Ready's > animation tools are far superior to FW. In fact, that's one of > the main reasons I > changed over back in the day. > > 7) Batch Processing > Are you kidding? Photoshop invented batch processing via actions > and the ability to > even SAVE an action as a droplet and simply drop a folder or > image onto that droplet. > I won't even go any further except to say that if you can > perform it manually in > Photoshop, you can automate it using actions. > > 8) Stackable Filters > Photoshop can apply multiple effects to a layer, but I don't > know if you can > rearrange them in the manner you describe. > > 9) Multi-Object Editing > That sounds pretty cool. Photoshop only allowed you to select > multiple layers in CS2. > I would think that you could now apply a style/effect to all > selected layers now, but > I haven't tried it. > > 10) Automatic Bitmap Creation > I'm not quite sure what you're talking about here, but in > Photoshop, can you create > vector shapes, and fill them, as well as apply styles to them. > > 11) More Intuitive Interface > I'll agree that Photoshop's interface could be improved. But > I've been using it for > 11 or 12 years now and I don't know ANYONE better at Photoshop > than I am. > I'd > consider myself past Master level and I STILL learn cool things > about PS. > > > I also posted this to your blog. > > ;) > > > <!----------------//------ > andy matthews > web developer > certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --------------//---------> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Nadel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:11 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: tutorials on how to slice a design up? > > > Andy, > > To be honest, I have not used Photoshop / Image ready in three years, so > I am unfamiliar with some of the upgrades that were possibly made. If > you have a few minutes, I was hoping you could read my rant and maybe > let me in on the inaccuracies or archaic thoughts that I have: > > http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:165.view > > Only if you have time (as we are getting way off topic at this point). > > Cheers, > ........................ > Ben Nadel > Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > www.bennadel.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:59 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: tutorials on how to slice a design up? > > Not to shoot Ben down, but you do NOT want to switch to Fireworks. > > Photoshop is far more powerful, flexible, offers more options and it's > just plain better than Fireworks. I was forced to use Fireworks for > about 6 months at my first web job and it was horrible. I cheered loudly > when Adobe came out with Image Ready 2.0, kicked Fireworks' dust from my > feet and never looked back. > > The only thing that FW has going for it IMO is the price. > > <!----------------//------ > andy matthews > web developer > certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --------------//---------> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Nadel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:43 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: tutorials on how to slice a design up? > > > Also, I can't more highly recommend moving to Adobe FireWorks. It is > designed FOR WEB DEVELOPERS. Photoshop is an amazing photo editing > software. Yes, photo editing does overlap with web development, but it's > not designed for web development. Fireworks IS. It makes slicing easier > than eating ice cream. Plus, there is a Guru forum now that has some > great tutorials. > > http://www.fireworksguruforum.com/ > > I switch over 3 years ago and have not looked back.. And my productivity > and proficiency in graphics editing is up like 1000% percent from where > it was in Photoshop. > > .......................... > Ben Nadel > Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer > www.bennadel.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:30 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: tutorials on how to slice a design up? > > Crow... > > I started my career as a designer so I'm thoroughly familiar with > slicing. > My suggestion is to NOT use slices from within PS of FW or IR. It may > seem like it makes things simpler, but it really doesn't. > > My suggestion is to make extensive use of guides, then manually select > each area you want to slice. This way you ONLY get the areas you need as > images and you can name each image whatever you like. > > <!----------------//------ > andy matthews > web developer > certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --------------//---------> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:52 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: tutorials on how to slice a design up? > > > Anyone have a good reference on how to slice up a PSD? I have a client > who wants me to slice up their design, because they don't have anyone > available to do it. Google searches bring up tons of results, but I was > wondering if anyone had one that they liked better than others. > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:256361 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
