> The remote attack surface for a patched Windows XP SP2 
> machine with the
> Windows firewall enabled is pretty small. I have every reason 
> to expect the
> attack surface for Vista to be as small or smaller. That, by 
> itself, doesn't
> mean that users can't do stupid things that will get their machines
> compromised. So I'm not sure why you'd be so unconcerned with 
> user security.

The statement that started this whole conversation was a Microsoft exec.
claiming that Vista won't need antivirus software.  I TOTALLY agree that
Vista will be way more secure than previous versions.  But to claim that
Vista won't need antivirus software is to claim that it won't have
holes.  Microsoft is notorious for taking a while to fix holes.  On the
other hand, antivirus companies usually have updated definitions within
a few hours.  So the first time a critical zero day exploit is released,
even if it does require user intervention, what is a network admin to
do?  Hope and pray that MS develops and hurries a patch to market, and
in the mean time all of their users read the emails and posted warning
signs?  That won't happen, so their only recourse is to get the updated
definitions pushed ASAP, or maybe send everybody home in the mean time.

I think this MS quote will be added to the previous retarded quotes that
have come from Redmond:
"No user will ever need more than 64 KB of RAM"
"The NTFS file system doesn't ever get fragmented"
and now,
"Vista doesn't need antivirus software"





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