Not doing patching properly? Ermmm as noted the majority of patches now no
longer need a reboot, so it is quite believable that a server has a higher
uptime of 91 days (in fact you should aim higher) etc and you could have a
fully patched server, also remember that Microsoft releases patches every
second Tuesday of each month as a matte of course pro(and re) actively, and
not all patches are necessary for a given config.








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-----Original Message-----
From: Russ
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sun Jan 21 06:05:13 2007
Subject: RE: Apache config

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Apache config
> 
<snip>
> 
> As for the whole open source argument, no, IIS nor third-party IIS tools
> are
> open source. For something that is essentially a commodity, like a web
> server, I have never needed the ability to edit the source, I wouldn't be
> qualified to edit the source, and I suspect that this is true for many of
> the people on this list. Out of curiosity, are you an Apache committer? If
> you're not, have you made changes to the Apache source? If you do make
> changes, what do you do when a new version comes out? How are you any
> better
> in this respect than the "one man companies" you mention above?
> 
I am not an Apache committer, and I would not be qualified to be one.  I do
know that there are thousands of eyes looking at the Apache source and
finding bugs and vulnerabilities.  I do upgrade my Apache versions from time
to time, and I do it more often if a serious vulnerability is found.  Unlike
Windows, however, this is not very often.  

On linux, apache gets automatically updated between minor versions as part
of the nightly update.  

> > Ok, maybe not so simple, but once you get the hang of it, you
> > can feel the power.  Just like using linux for servers
> > instead of windows.  It takes time to learn how to administer
> > it, but once you do, you'll never go back.  For one thing you
> > won't have to worry about monthly security patches.  They
> > silently download at night without ever needing a reboot.  My
> > Linux server has been up for 91 days.  People have their
> > servers up for years at a time without rebooting.  Can you
> > say the same about windows?
> 
> Actually, the vast majority of Windows patches no longer need a reboot,
> and
> if you think 91 days is an impressive uptime number, well, I'm sorry to
> say,
> but most of my Windows servers have higher uptime than that.
> 

Vast majority is not all.  I have my servers set to auto reboot when windows
patches come out, and they have been rebooting on a monthly basis.  The last
time they rebooted was 12/17.  If your servers have a higher uptime then 91
days, you must not be doing your job of patching server very well.  

Now I said my Linux server has an uptime of 91 days.  The only reason it's
so small, is because I was probably having some issue, and still have the
preconceived notion from the Windows world that a reboot usually fixes
things.  If I didn't reboot manually, I would've had a much higher uptime,
and as I've mentioned, I have seen Linux servers with uptimes measured in
years, all while receiving nightly updates.  

Russ




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