On 6/26/07, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the long start up time (which is even longer that DW's start up > time > amazingly enough) is a big negative.
This can be mitigated somewhat by not starting with the whole "everything and the kitchen sink" SDK distribution of Eclipse. If you start with the platform runtime version, and only add the plugins you need, startup tends to be faster, and memory usage somewhat less since there are a lot fewer components being loaded. Eclipse/CFEclipse regularly crashes on > me and the tag editors rarely works properly. The editor itself is choppy > and jerky and is prone to grabbing chunks of code that you are copying and > cutting and pasting them elsewhere in the document (really super > annoying). I have never had this experience, and have used Eclipse for a couple of years now. It may be a particular plugin causing issues, or some other sort of problem. I'm not saying you aren't having the issue, just that it's not the "status quo", and is likely resolvable. Ctrl_Shift_Z brings up a color palette...WTF is up with that? With every > other program in the world that works to go forward on the edit history > list > (the reverse of ctrl_z). That's just the default keyboard shortcut. Virtually every command and it's keyboard shortcut is configurable. It may not be the most intuitive default, but I had the same issues back in the day going from CF Studio to DW, and Eclipse is at least quite flexible in this regard. You are also forced to work in Project mode, > instead of being able to work in directory mode. CFEclipse comes with a file explorer view, so you can work in directory mode if you like. It also now has pretty solid FTP support. If you get the Adobe ColdFusion plug-ins, you can use RDS as well. Most of what I do is not > conducive to this project mode crap. I am forced to use it at work, so I > also use it for other thing to learn it better and get used to it. I can totally understand why this is a difficult transition for some people, but it is actually a lot more powerful in many ways. Things like working sets, the ability to have a project contain only a subset of files in a directory, or files from multiple directories. Or, it can really be just like a directory browser. It doesn't really take anything away, but does add a lot of functionality. So far I > am not impressed and feel it needs a lot of work before this is ready for > prime time. Job done would be a product where all the features actually > work. By some of your comments, I wonder if you are using an older version of either Eclipse of CFEclipse. I would say things have become quite a bit more polished just over the last 6 months. The 1.3 release of CFEclipse in particular fixed a few issues. I don't know the source of the problem...if it is a CFEclipse issue or > if it is an underlying Eclipse issue...but this has some serious issues > that > effect usablility. Eclipse can't even do a proper site wide search or > search all open docs. The search functionality in Eclipse is rather powerful, but is often overlooked because CTRL-F is basically just a quick search-replace. Try CTRL-H, which is the advanced search allowing you to scope the search, and then and then in the results pane, you have a number of options for refining searches based on those results, replacing in just a subset of the files, etc. I have to open DW for that. > > The Eclipse people also seem to have a bad attitude. On Vista, there > seems > to be a problem unpacking the code using the native unzipper. While all > my > other zipped files that have been zipped by WinZip and WinRar seem to work > fine, Eclipse requires the use of a third party package to unzip. I can't speak to the Eclipse team, as I've never had dealings with them. I have had some issues even on XP unzipping the distributions which were usuaully due to long file names and directory paths in the archive exceeding Window's limits. There may be an additional Vista issue (I don't use Vista), but I was able to work around this by putting the archive in the root directory of a drive, and renaming the zip file to something very short. It has always unzipped fine then. This is > something that the Eclipse peole are unwilling (and have stated so) to fix > by using a better compression package instead of some off the wall open > source POS one. Well, chances are the "off the wall open source one" is something like GNU Zip, which is open source, but hardly off the wall being that it predates Windows built-in functionality by a couple of decades or so. It's more likely to be the limitations of Windows built-in zip routine than a problem with a much more mature tool. Yeah...it has a lot of issues. DW, unfortunately, is still > the better product by far. Clearly, it is better for you, which is fine. It's nice to have choices. 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