See below -----Original Message----- From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 5:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin
Ben, <snipped> I mainly get upset due to the fact that CF is always being compared to free products, PHP, .NET & Java and I constantly have to justify the price, to me and a lot of others this price increase was just unexpected. I really wonder how many people who were going to purchase Enterprise purchased Standard instead, either due to the price or the fact that standard has more features. **************************************** It gets compared because the talking heads are deceptive when they say that they are free, when in reality they are not. Allaire/Macromedia/Adobe also have some guilt in this in that none of them ever countered this. As I said in a previous posting, Ben wrote an article about this for CFDJ, but that was the only mention of this disparity in the truth. Allaire/Macromedia/Adobe should be using this information to contradict this misinformation campaign and they have all failed miserably in this and other marketing aspects. Maybe a good suggestion for the adobe folks would be to put up a product comparison page that shows the approximate costs (both development and purchase) costs to get the other languages up to par with CF out of the box. Someone needs to give the Adobe marketing team a good swift kick in the behind and get them on the ball. ****************************************** Sean, I can't imagine they will sell more Enterprise because if it's more expensive people will think it's a real Enterprise product. You say I don't understand the enterprise market, well you are wrong, I am one of these customers. If you understood enterprise's you would surely know that budgets and plans for expenditure need to be submitted at the start of the financial year. I am now one less enterprise customer, but I guess they can afford to lose 25% of the enterprise customers and still break even. *************************** You would be surprised on just how stupid executives can be in big companies. I have heard this more than I care to remember. It does sound really asinine, because, well...it is very asinine, but that is how they think. They are used to enterprise level products that cost in the 10's and 100's of thousands of dollars (I remember doing some research on this an there was a java based product (this was about 10 years ago) that cost 100k...so I am not exaggerating. Look at Oracle web services...that costs over 10k and all that offers is a Java development platform that works with the database.) This is kind of a self-image issue as well. If they paid this much and can justify what they paid for these other products, how can CF be a worthy product if it is so cheap compared to these other products? If there is a product that is a qualified and useful enterprise level web development solution that is that cheap, then they were pretty stupid to spend 10's and 100's of thousands of dollars on the other stuff. Most also have discretionary spending allowed for in the budget or are allowed some leeway for instances like that. I am sure that if you went to your bosses and say, hey they increased the price by 750(?) a CPU...we need x amount of dollars added to our budget to cover this unexpected increase...I am sure they would ok it. All the in you had was that there probably wouldn't be an increase, so you could not have guessed that there would be. Unless you work for a really small company (and I mean really small...and if it is...then as several had stated before...you probably don't need enterprise anyway), if your company is that inflexible that they cannot absorb a couple of thousand dollars in this, then they might just have grater issues that should concern you more. ******* <snipped> PS: Everyone will be very interested now in where they can find clear info on how the standard features are throttled, I for one don't want to start debugging code when things go slow to find that the server is doing this. I want to know in advance of what every limit is. Does such a document exist? Regards Dale Fraser ***************************** I would agree..that would be useful info...Oh Adobe.... Eric ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:285061 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
