Dave Watts, Matthew WIlliams, I cant tell you how grateful I am that you're so patient and helpful. I understand Mattew's instructions, I think, so I'm going to get back onto it now, following those, now i've had a few hours sleep.
There's only one niggling concern - i dont have version 22, i have version 20. i.e. my http:conf file says LoadModule jrun_module "C:/JRun4/lib/wsconfig/2/mod_jrun20.so" Is this a problem? How do you know what port the bootstrap is on? or do you just make that up and tell Apache what port to use? (at one point you said 'you just need to be aware of what the ports are") Or is that created when you cause jrun to add the lines to the virginal http.conf file? Thanks again - i think we're nearly there. What started out with a whole lot of people saying 'oh yes i have them both going on my machine' it turns out that not many people have both CF7 and CF8 in use simultaneously at all. Well not with both kinds of sites in use simultaneously. And while it looks a trivial thing to do when you're installing CF8, because it says 'coexist' it turns out it isnt trivial at all. So far I've clocked up 12 hours on it and i'm not there yet. I have some comments about the documentation too but perhaps that ought to go in a different thread. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:294650 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

