Well it may be laughable or ridiculous but happens none the less. I don't think anyone is holding the vendor responsible for the behaviour of the community (unless those people worked for Adobe perhaps), certainly the people I have spoken to just want a community that will help them rather than be abusive to them and didn't want to get dragged into the arguments. PHP, ASP users will always slag off Coldfusion, ColdFusion users will always slag off PHP, ASP etc, but it has always been directed at the language rather than the person, but now it seems to be cfml developers attacking other cfml developers because of what engine they use. MADNESS
Russ -----Original Message----- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 20 January 2011 21:35 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference? Russ, You're preaching to the choir... well except for that last part which is ridiculous. The "open CF" side of the community couldn't be more abusive towards Adobe. It's laughable to think that the community holding the OS vendors accountable would make someone leave CF. -Adam -- Sent from my open, capable and downright awesome Android-powered device that browses the _entire _ web! On Jan 20, 2011 10:17 PM, "Russ Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I know this has been said before as we have had previous discussions with > Adobe and have suggested this and they agreed it was a good idea and I know > some others have done the same. And I understand this is even being trialled > in Australia with some products (not CF). > SPLA type licensing like Microsoft (or SAAS) would make ColdFusion much > more affordable to all the non enterprise customers, and we have confirmed > this with many of our own customers. > > The top reason we hear for customers migrating away from CF is the cost. I > don't think this is entirely because of the cost of CF in general as most > companies can come up with the cash for a single CF Std license, but the > cost of ongoing upgrades or the cost to move to enterprise if they need to. > > The other reasons I hear :- > > Lack of decent developers (for companies that use contractors primarily) > Lack of off the shelf or open source software (can't compete with PHP on > that front) > Attitude of the CF community (mainly caused by certain people being abusive > to Railo/BD) > Attitude of Adobe > > Russ > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Adrocknaphobia > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> Donna, >> >> Oh, it's not so awkward for us at Adobe. As I mentioned before, we've seen >> increased adoption for ColdFusion in the public sector. Of course, I have a >> bit of a different perspective since I talk to so many different agencies >> and departments as part of my job. >> >> What agency do you work for? >> >> I'm scheduling some CF customer meetings in DC the week of Feb 21. One of >> my >> managers will be in town and I would like to expose him to some CFML shops >> that chose to migrate away form ColdFusion. I think getting your teams >> perspective would greatly help increase the quality (and business model) >> for >> ColdFusion. >> >> -Adam >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Donna Bing <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > Yes I attended CFUnited twice and was very disappointed they had to close >> > up shop. That's why I was asking about for an alternative at the top of >> the >> > thread. >> > >> > I am definitely very interested in what's coming in August. What space >> > should I watch, as I gather it hasn't been formally announced? >> > >> > For now I think we'll be going to the Open CF Summit in Dallas, for the >> > emphasis on Open Source. >> > >> > I think you're completely wrong about open source being a small movement >> in >> > federal government. In fact, I think that was one of Obama's first >> > executive actions. Maybe it hasn't taken off yet, but everyone I know in >> > USDA, Treasury, State and the contractor community is working furiously >> at >> > slashing IT budgets by moving to OSS and cloud computing. >> > >> > I know this must be awkward for adobe, because I don't think anyone will >> > paying traditional licensing for anything a year or two from now. I >> think >> > the only money to be made is going to be in tooling and code generation. >> > The language itself already does more than I'm ever going to need to >> do... >> > >> > Anyway please do share on this conference in august - my people would >> > definitely attend! >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341070 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
