Who has been abusive toward Adobe? I've seen some people question their commitment to the product because of a perceived lack of marketing muscle. And there was a big discussion about pricing on CFBuilder. Most of both of those discussions, however, came from Adobe CF license holders. The folks I've seen on the Railo lists and the CFEclipse lists tend to mostly ignore Adobe except in such instances where they need to discuss compatibility, language choices made by Adobe, etc. Go take a look at the archives of the lists for those groups and you'll see that almost none of the discussion has anything to do with Adobe, let alone be negative about them. Those groups are all about moving open source CFML offerings forward, not slagging off on Adobe.
Judah On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Russ Michaels <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well it may be laughable or ridiculous but happens none the less. I don't > think anyone is holding the vendor responsible for the behaviour of the > community (unless those people worked for Adobe perhaps), certainly the > people I have spoken to just want a community that will help them rather > than be abusive to them and didn't want to get dragged into the arguments. > PHP, ASP users will always slag off Coldfusion, ColdFusion users will always > slag off PHP, ASP etc, but it has always been directed at the language > rather than the person, but now it seems to be cfml developers attacking > other cfml developers because of what engine they use. MADNESS > > > Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 20 January 2011 21:35 > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference? > > > Russ, > > You're preaching to the choir... well except for that last part which is > ridiculous. The "open CF" side of the community couldn't be more abusive > towards Adobe. It's laughable to think that the community holding the OS > vendors accountable would make someone leave CF. > > -Adam > > -- > Sent from my open, capable and downright awesome Android-powered device that > browses the _entire _ web! > On Jan 20, 2011 10:17 PM, "Russ Michaels" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I know this has been said before as we have had previous discussions with >> Adobe and have suggested this and they agreed it was a good idea and I > know >> some others have done the same. And I understand this is even being > trialled >> in Australia with some products (not CF). >> SPLA type licensing like Microsoft (or SAAS) would make ColdFusion much >> more affordable to all the non enterprise customers, and we have confirmed >> this with many of our own customers. >> >> The top reason we hear for customers migrating away from CF is the cost. I >> don't think this is entirely because of the cost of CF in general as most >> companies can come up with the cash for a single CF Std license, but the >> cost of ongoing upgrades or the cost to move to enterprise if they need > to. >> >> The other reasons I hear :- >> >> Lack of decent developers (for companies that use contractors primarily) >> Lack of off the shelf or open source software (can't compete with PHP on >> that front) >> Attitude of the CF community (mainly caused by certain people being > abusive >> to Railo/BD) >> Attitude of Adobe >> >> Russ >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Adrocknaphobia >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> Donna, >>> >>> Oh, it's not so awkward for us at Adobe. As I mentioned before, we've > seen >>> increased adoption for ColdFusion in the public sector. Of course, I have > a >>> bit of a different perspective since I talk to so many different agencies >>> and departments as part of my job. >>> >>> What agency do you work for? >>> >>> I'm scheduling some CF customer meetings in DC the week of Feb 21. One of >>> my >>> managers will be in town and I would like to expose him to some CFML > shops >>> that chose to migrate away form ColdFusion. I think getting your teams >>> perspective would greatly help increase the quality (and business model) >>> for >>> ColdFusion. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Donna Bing <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > Yes I attended CFUnited twice and was very disappointed they had to > close >>> > up shop. That's why I was asking about for an alternative at the top of >>> the >>> > thread. >>> > >>> > I am definitely very interested in what's coming in August. What space >>> > should I watch, as I gather it hasn't been formally announced? >>> > >>> > For now I think we'll be going to the Open CF Summit in Dallas, for the >>> > emphasis on Open Source. >>> > >>> > I think you're completely wrong about open source being a small > movement >>> in >>> > federal government. In fact, I think that was one of Obama's first >>> > executive actions. Maybe it hasn't taken off yet, but everyone I know > in >>> > USDA, Treasury, State and the contractor community is working furiously >>> at >>> > slashing IT budgets by moving to OSS and cloud computing. >>> > >>> > I know this must be awkward for adobe, because I don't think anyone > will >>> > paying traditional licensing for anything a year or two from now. I >>> think >>> > the only money to be made is going to be in tooling and code > generation. >>> > The language itself already does more than I'm ever going to need to >>> do... >>> > >>> > Anyway please do share on this conference in august - my people would >>> > definitely attend! >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341071 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
