Russ, I miss your nickname, "snake", being in your email address. Why did you 
remove it?

Phillip, in all honesty, I really like the HeliconTech platform and I think 
they've done a great job with it. One of the beauties of OSS is that different 
people and organizations can incorporate software in unique ways that can solve 
different problems creatively. However, I am compelled to point out that 
Snake's response is not unbiased. Snake and I do not currently get along very 
well. Maybe that can change later but right now that's how things are.

The HeliconTech platform and the installers I helped put together are not 
competitors. They simply do things differently in order to address different 
use-cases. The HeliconTech platform installs a unique servlet container (Jetty) 
for each site it configures. This removes the need for a global configuration 
and the virtual directories Snake mentioned. This is also nice because it 
separates each servlet container instance and, should one of the instances die 
or become overwhelmed, it generally does not effect the other instances. 
However, it's memory usage is much less efficient then a single instance is. 
With a single instance, file caching, query caching, and other types of caching 
can be done server-wide, instead of on a per-instance basis. For example, 
compiled mura classes have to be compiled and cached multiple times with 
multiple servlet containers. This can increase unnecessary memory use 
considerably, depending on how you use it, but you do indeed obtain better 
application isolation out of it. You'd be sacrificing efficiency for isolation. 
It's give and take, and whether a platform is "better" or not purely depends on 
what's important to you and the job you're doing.

The reality is that the HeliconTech platform and the installers I helped put 
together compliment each other. They serve different purposes and neither one 
is intrinsically "better" then the other.

Hope this helps clarify things and best wishes to you as you explore your 
options.

-Jordan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Michaels" <[email protected]>
To: "cf-talk" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 10:14:33 AM
Subject: Re: Rialo or Open Blue Dragon


Viviotech's used to be the only installer, but there is now an alternative,
which is easier/better  if you are on windows/IIS and
don't specifically want Tomcat , doesn't require any vhost config, or vDirs
or isapi filters, just enable Railo on your site in IIS and that's it. plus
has the advantage of isolating every site in its own java instance, which
creates better stability and security, read more here
http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/new-railo-and-mura-installer-for-the-microsoft-web-platform


I am now using this on www.cfmldeveloper.com


On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> The Railo 3.3/Tomcat 7 installers are available to download from here:
> http://www.getrailo.org/index.cfm/download/
>
> I won't be around this evening, I think, but it sounds like a
> potentially interesting idea. I'm guessing you are talking about a way
> wrapper that knows how to fetch and install custom tags?
>
> Judah
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Michael Stemle <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > So you have a link? I'm mobile at the moment.
> >
> > By the way, would anybody be up for a Skype call this evening (us
> central time)? I had an idea I sent over the list a bit ago that I wanted
> to bounce off f some other folks for creating an open source repository of
> components similar to CPAN (search.cpan.org) for Perl.
> >
>
> 



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