Yes, that's true, Scott.
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example For a 'title' you may not want them to be able to format that within a rich text editor. It would be more consistent to have all the titles be the same style. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Rick Faircloth <r...@whitestonemedia.com>wrote: > > Hmmm... just finished setting up CKEditor in a site manager > for "specials"... just title, description, and image. > > Successfully uploaded all content, processed 5 different > image sizes from original, and entered all into database. > > When I went to view the new "Special" on the development site, > I realized the special title, that was entered in a separate > instance of CKEditor on the page, was un-styled. Of course, > in the database, the actual text was surrounded by <p></p> > and didn't have the style from the stylesheet that normally > styles the Special Titles. > > Is this always the case with editors that provide style control? > Since the editor enters its own tags and styles inline (boo), > would this mean that all styling has to come from within the > CKEditor and its styles would override my stylesheets? > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:42 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example > > > Thanks, David... > > Yes, the "live content" editors are very attractive. Several > of the CSM's that I reviewed offer that option. It's very appealing. > > And it certainly is a "balancing-act", trying to provide desired > functionality so they don't look elsewhere, but not giving them so > much control that they end up making a mess of a site. > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Phelan [mailto:dphe...@emerginghealthit.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:44 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example > > > Rick, > > Most full-blown CMS solutions allow the clients to add pages to a site > whenever desired, they simply select > the underlying template (that you develop and provide) for that particular > page and go to town creating the > content and adding web parts into the areas that you have defined in the > template. A WYSIWYG editor is a key > ingredient and there are several open source ones out there. I use > TinyMCE which is rather simple to > configure and provides a good number of options and plugins to choose from > and the new version allows for > inline editing of the content, though it doesn't sync with the applied CSS > to allow users to see the formats > they are applying. The ability to upload graphics and documents is also > important. > > Another important thing is allowing the client to preview the updated > content within the context of the site > before they publish it. This way they can verify that the changes they > have made fit the sites theme and > layout and correct anything that falls outside the acceptable limits. > Inline editors are good for this but > there are other approaches as well. > > You want to give them the freedom to alter the content to the greatest > possible extent so that you can focus > on developing new functionality/web parts for them to incorporate into > their content, especially now that > there is an ever increasing number of sites that will allow companies to > create their own sites for relatively > low cost. You certainly don't want to constrain your client to the point > that they move on to another option. > > David Phelan > Web Developer > IT Security & Web Technologies > > Emerging Health > Montefiore Information Technology > 3 Odell Plaza, Yonkers, NY 10701 > 914-457-6465 Office > 862-234-9109 Cell > dphe...@emerginghealthit.com > www.emerginghealthit.com > www.montefiore.org > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:42 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example > > > Thanks, Jon and everyone for your feedback. > > I've look at the various "pre-rolled" CMS offerings and have found them to > be serious overkill for all my > clients. > > I've always created my own CMS for each website I created to insure that > clients were comfortable with them. > Mostly, I just provide a regular form (never even used CKEditor) and take > care of the styling in advance to > keep them from destroying the look of their site. They just update > verbiage and images. > > The reason I asked about "full-blown" CMS options, is that I've got one > more sophisticated client who wants, > basically, to be able to "change everything." Well, she might as well > become a website designer to be able to > manage everything on the site, including header graphics, etc. > > I've been tinkering with CKEditor and think that will be a good option for > the "global site manager" or custom > CMS I'm building for my clients currently. I can control the options on > the toolbar to keep clients from > getting "too creative", but make it easy for them to add links, etc., with > knowing how to code them. > > I can keep the CKEditor instances distinct for every form field to > accommodate database interaction so I can > re-purpose content for email newsletters, etc., and avoid having all > content titles, bylines, details, and > images all contained within a single database field. > > I'll have to discuss just exactly what this new client means by "control > everything" on the site. Turning over > complete layout and design control to a novice to change the design of a > corporate site with my name > associated with it is not an option I want to pursue. > If she wants that much control, then I'll just "consult" with them and she > can buy a copy of Dreamweaver and > use it as a WYSIWYG editor. > > She wants to be able to add pages to the site, as well, so I may have to > develop that functionality, along > with on-the-fly menu adaptation for the new pages. Maybe I can just > convince her to let me create a new page > when she needs one and then turn her loose on the content. It starts to be > annoying and a lot of trouble (for > which the client doesn't want to pay, typically) when they want to start > wanting to get into the kitchen of > the website design & development restaurant, rather than just placing > their order and allowing the chef to do > his work. > > Any other thoughts and/or feedback is still appreciated! > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Clausen [mailto:jon_clau...@silowebworks.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:25 AM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example > > > I've spent about 70% of my time over the last 5 years developing in PHP, > including developing a customized > installation of Joomla for a radio station client that included live > streaming and audio archives. I've also > rolled a customized CMS through the PHP framework Kohana. I, for one am > happy to let go of the content > updates and the radio station example allowed the program hosts to manage > their own program content, archives, > blogs and links to externals. > > IMHO, as some have mentioned, Joomla is a bloated beast to customize. It > does what it does well, though and > has a solid role/permission setup and tons of plugin functionality. For a > simple 10 page site, though, it's > probably too much. For CFML CMS options, I find FarCry to be similarly > troublesome to customize (I haven't > worked with the newest versions, though) I've played around under the > hood with Mura and I find it to be very > promising as a CMS platform to build a site around. It's fast and > straightforward in the way it approaches > what it does. > > As far as design goes, I've never been able to take a Joomla site with a > template and deploy it > out-of-the-box. They all need customization, based on the way the client > wants to use them. The newest > version of Joomla is better for customizing. > > A customized CMS, whichever you choose, makes clients feel pleased and > empowered. You'll still have plenty of > work to do fixing the odd mistakes, adding functionality, and helping them > through the learning curves. I've > found that the more a client interacts with their site, the more valuable > it becomes as a business tool and > the more requests I get to add functionality and features to help then. > > Best of luck, > Jon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:26 PM > > To: cf-talk > > Subject: SOT: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for > example > > > > > > Hi, guys... > > > > Just need some recommendations from some of you who have been down this > road before. > > > > I have a client that is asking for what amounts to absolute control over > their site through a CMS. Among a > few others they metioned, Joomla was brought up. > > > > I'm checking them out myself, but wanted to cut to the chase based on > experience from those who have used > CMS's that provide control such as Joomla. > > > > What have you tried? What turned out to work well? What bombed? > > I've always "rolled my own", and never used a ready-made CMS, so I have > zero experience with them. > > > > (Joomla seems like it replaces me as a designer/developer, at first > glance. > > If a client has a CMS that allows them to do everything that I do for > them now, including selecting themes > for pages they add to the site themselves (designer), manage data through > Joomla functionality (developer), I > wonder if I would end up as a "Joomla Installer & Maintenance" person for > the client. ???) > > > > Thoughts? Suggestions? > > > > Thanks for any feedback! > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356313 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
