No one accused CF of being cheap to host but the fact is that it was never
targeted to the individual developer. CF Enterprise is expensive, but I am
sure others can attest to this -it is still possible to develop killer
applications using CF Professional. CF may not be the best tool for the
solo consultant, working hand to mouth on projects - but it is still
relevant at the enterprise level. Large companies are using it all over the
place - some exclusively, some not.
I have been using CF since version 1.0 in 1995. I like it. I feel that I
can do wonders with it. But I am not closing my eyes or sticking my head in
the sand. It is still relevant, but at the same time I am looking at JSP as
an augmentation of my skill set, particularly with Neo ahead of us.
Dave Watts -and even Ben Forta have made cases for when and where to use CF.
Sometimes it isn't the best tool for the job at hand. In many others, in the
hands of skilled developers who understand how architect applications, using
components and extensions, it can be a very powerful glue tying things
together.
I see a distinct parrallel in the heyday of the X-Base languages such as
Clipper, and the development of the user community as well as the third
party component market that came with it during the late '80s and early
'90s. I just hope that Macromedia is a better company to have CF at this
stage of develoment than Computer Associates was when Clipper was purchased.
DC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Giminez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 15:54
Subject: Re: Is CF still relevant?
> I have only dabbled in other programming languages, but from what I can
see, CF does most everything
> the others do, but does it easier.
>
> The high cost keeps it from being as popular as ASP and others.
> I know lots of developers who are spending lots of time learning PHP since
the Enterprise version of
> CF is just too expensive to put on the server. There is just not enough
demand for a higher priced
> account.
>
> Too bad Allaire/Macr... There are a lot of potential clients out there if
it were just more
> affordable.
>
> Chris Giminez
> Cyber Scriber
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I probably should not join this particular thread because I will
probably be
> > seen as very biased BUT. But I am a relative newbie as an employee of
> > Allaire now Macromedia. My experience with using ColdFusion and briefly
> > trying ASP is more relevant since I have used ColdFusion since late
1995-96.
> > In reality ColdFusion should have died long ago as it has an appreciable
up
> > front cost. But it did not die in the face of alternatives that have no
up
> > front costs. In fact rather than ceasing to exist it grew exponentially
in
> > use. Also, the ColdFusion community has never seemed small to me as I
> > struggled with and was presented with solutions to challenging issues,
time
> > and time again.
> >
> > Now, we have the honeymoon and final marriage of Allaire and Macromedia.
I
> > do not know what will eventually come out of this but I do know it will
be
> > fed and nurtured with ideas from all the worldwide developers and users
of
> > both former Macromedia and Allaire products and I do know that we are
only
> > limited by our own imaginations. My personal opinion is that now would
> > definitely be the wrong time to move away from ColdFusion for anyone
with a
> > desire to be involved in the future of the Internet and the Web.
> >
> > Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
> > Macromedia Consulting
> > Tel 562.243.6255
> > Fax 401.696.4335
> > http://www.macromedia.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph Grossberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:28 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Is CF still relevant?
> >
> >
> > Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This
isn't
> >
> > so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us to take a step
back
> >
> > and reevalutate things periodically.
> >
> > Over the course of my career as a web programmer/developer, I have
worked
> > with a variety of sever-side languages and technologies: ColdFusion,
ASP,
> > JSP, PHP, Perl and Python. I like some more than others, but I'm not an
> > evangelist for any; they each have their uses. And I recognize some of
CF's
> > strengths: easy to learn for people who know only tag-based HTML or
don't
> > have significant programming experience; built-in admin tool;
specialized
> > editor; comes with pre-built tags and web-based administrator. There are
> > also major flaws: broken/sketchy tags; no XML parsing; not OOP;
relatively
> > small community; etc.
> >
> > Right now, I work at a web development firm that is primarily "a CF
house"
> > (besides me). Our more senior programmers are looking at honing their CF
> > skills, while our less experienced webmasters are trying to learn
> > ColdFusion. But, I can't help but wonder whether they are wasting their
> > time. Would they be better off spending their time learning ASP, Java or
> > another non-CF solution? Why or why not?
> >
> > And how would we tell if and when it was time to give up CF and try
> > something else, as all but the most stubborn experts in also-ran
languages
> > (Ada, SmallTalk), applications (Netscape, Lotus Notes) and Operating
Systems
> >
> > (Amiga) have resignedly done?
> >
> > Lastly, why do *you* still use CF? Is it because it's what you're best
at,
> > and you don't want to try something new (where, temporarily, you'd be a
> > novice again)? Is it because your ccompany's legacy code is all in CF?
Is it
> >
> > because you genuinely think that ColdFusion is, generally speaking, the
best
> >
> > solution for web application development in 2001?
> >
> > Joe
> >
>
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