Matt, I had another conversation with MM yesterday with Dave Emmon (sic?) and I pointed out that the EAPI for apache was not supported in CF 5 either and was told that MM considers Win32 apache to be beta software and does not support beta software, but that they are having a meeting on Friday and he will bring it up. I was also told that Win32 apache does not have much of a user base because of it's beta status and that when 2.0 is out of beta it will be supported. I take the lack of support for beta software and the small user base as positioning statement and an attempt to set expectation. I would like to point out (and maybe you can be in the meeting) that the manual does contains installation instructions for apache and does not say anything about it being beta and unsupported. Originally I was annoyed by being told that an EAPI build was not going to be made for 4.x, that module source for win32 would not be made available and that I should upgrade to CF 5 to solve my problem. Now I find that an upgrade would make no difference and am being told that Apache is actually considered unsupported beta code. I do not know what the politics are behind the lack of support for Win32 apache developers but it seems foolish from a marketing perspective. Oh, one more point, EAPI has been available since long before apache 1.3.20, I just never ran into the issue before as I had not tried to deploy SSL, which requires it. Some snippets from the changes file (not the reference to cold fusion in the first): Changes with mod_ssl 2.1.8 (11-Jan-1999 to 21-Jan-1999): But we now to the following: We allow _both_ types of modules to be loaded by mod_so, but dispatch over the EAPI hooks only when the module magic cookie indicates "EAPI". This way an Apache+EAPI server can load module DSOs built with a plain Apache. That's important to allow people for instance use mod_coldfusion (which is available only as a pre-built DSO!) or allow the Debian package maintainers to finally build their Apache package with EAPI without the need to upgrade all other module packages at the same time. Changes with mod_ssl 2.4.7 (22-Oct-1999 to 02-Nov-1999) *) Added a check to mod_so to complain with a warning if one loads a plain Apache 1.3 DSO under EAPI (which might work, but can also segfault). Changes with mod_ssl 2.8.0 (14-Oct-2000 to 30-Jan-2001) *) Upgraded to Apache 1.3.17 as base version. *) Changed ApacheModuleSSL.dll to mod_ssl.so in Makefile.Win32 to make mod_ssl not too broken after Apache 1.3.16's Win32 changes. Justin -----Original Message----- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Speak Up (WAS: Macromedia strong arms developers into 5.0 upgrade) -- Spamex - Forums Now Available http://forums.spamex.com/forums/ -- Replies will be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Additional Info: http://www.spamex.com/i/?v=52 > > That is, indeed, most disturbing. > > > > Hm... Allaire heard us (and listened) when we spoke up before. Maybe we > > all need to speak up now, to make this work for all of our community, > > not just the few with deeper pockets? I am just getting on top of this thread, but I want to at least post a note and let people know that we are listening. I am going to find out what we can do about the issue. We are very committed to ColdFusion and our users. I can't tell you how often in every meeting I go to, the question comes up, how can we support CF better in product ________ (you pick which one). My guess, off the top of my head, based on 10 years of experience in shrinkwraped software, that the code base for CF4.x was closed and archived long before CF5 shipped. It would be really unusual to come out with an update for a previous version of a product to make it compatible with a server that was not released when the product was. Perhaps there is something that we can do though so I will look into that. I am sorry this is causing frustration here, I should have been on top of it a little earlier, but the volume of mail here is quite high and I was catching up. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
