What is the current status of a free version of CFServer? if something is still available I can without reservation recommend going with CF. Having come from a very similar background (Sales and Marketing) and segued into dynamic web application development thanks to ColdFusion, I feel I have validity in making this recommendation. I did try both ASP and iHTML (brief successor to ColdFusion bundled with O'Reilley WebSite) over the years and still ran back to ColdFusion. Another important issue, it really is very enjoyable being creative with CF. It is easy to get something simple going and demonstrable and yet you can get to incredible levels of sophistication and complexity.
Mike Brunt Sempra Energy 213.244.5226 "ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI !" -----Original Message----- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 1:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How much faster to develop in CF v PHP another good thread.... lets see.... if you want to see your children, have a social life, interact with people (not just machines), see life... Well then Cold Fusion is probably the best place for you... You can do enough to impress the knowledgeless... more than enough to make you go wow... and best of all you can start seeing result in little time... Perl, Python, CGI, Java, ASP, they all suffer from weird syntax and too low level type interactions for most people... thus their long development cycles, high cost, roll it yourself sort of typical behavior... Any of them will work... Kid no one about it.... PHP is a promising alternative to Cold Fusion but lacks a bunch of maturity where it might matter... if cost dictates, PHP is probably best.... followed by ASP second... the others I will let alone for lack on not wearing my fame retardant clothing today... Dave hit it pretty much square in the nose... -paris -----Original Message----- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 15:57 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How much faster to develop in CF v PHP > Recently, though, the whole OS/Web world is in a state of (even more > than normal) change: .Net and Neo etc. Actually, I'd argue that things are changing a lot less rapidly now than, say, a couple of years ago. All this .NET and Neo stuff is (to slightly oversimplify things) just another way to write HTML-based CGI apps. > I'm rethinking the whole thing because Vbscript is going to be dead. Why do you say this? For what it's worth, the Visual Basic syntax isn't going anywhere anytime soon. No one writes VBScript to execute within a browser, but it's fine for other scripting uses on the Windows platform (ASP, WSH). Note that you can use JavaScript any place you can use VBScript, though, so I'd recommend using JavaScript instead, unless you are or intend to be a Visual Basic programmer. > My needs I guess are defined by keeping costs down and learning and > developing quickly. I was wondering if I should go for CF mainly and > learn a bit of PHP to go with it. Fortunately for you, you have an embarrassment of riches from which to choose. I'd recommend that you start with the one that someone'll pay you to use for development, whichever that may be. CF is, in my opinion, the easiest of all of them to learn and to become productive with, but none of them are especially hard, and they all work in essentially the same way. If this is your first foray into programming, you might find a general-purpose programming language to be a better choice, rather than CF, PHP or ASP (ASP isn't really a language, but I'll lump it in here anyway). I'd recommend Python for this - it's a free scripting language just like PHP and a bunch of others, you can use it for CGI programming as well as other programming tasks, it's easier to approach and use than Java, and it's a great introduction to programming in my opinion. (Of course, who am I to say - I mainly started programming with CF.) Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
