Although I'm new to the list, I'll weigh in here...
I actually love working in PHP, even though I do quite a bit of CF
development (obviously, I took the time to sign up).
The reason is simple -- community.
There are just far more examples of workable FREE PHP code out there. Seems
like a huge percentage of the CF developers want $$$ for their little
snippets of code.... I mean, obviously that's a gross over-generalization,
but as someone who learns mostly from other people's examples, PHP has been
a godsend.
That said, there are things I absolutely love about CF, as well -- the ease
of hitting DB's and whatnot (although that's not terribly complicated in
PHP, either). Cold Fusion finally got UDF's, the lack of which drove me
absolutely insane... but that's not that amazing.
In the end, I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're about equal. The
only difference is the cost... which if you're building a substantial
website is negligible. That said, if you're a small web d00d, you can be up
and running with PHP/mysql(or Postgres)/Linux for free!
-- jon
> From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:02:23 -0500
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: How much faster to develop in CF v PHP
>
> another good thread....
>
> lets see....
>
> if you want to see your children, have a social life, interact with people
> (not just machines), see life... Well then Cold Fusion is probably the best
> place for you...
>
> You can do enough to impress the knowledgeless... more than enough to make
> you go wow... and best of all you can start seeing result in little time...
>
> Perl, Python, CGI, Java, ASP, they all suffer from weird syntax and too low
> level type interactions for most people... thus their long development
> cycles, high cost, roll it yourself sort of typical behavior...
>
> Any of them will work... Kid no one about it.... PHP is a promising
> alternative to Cold Fusion but lacks a bunch of maturity where it might
> matter...
>
> if cost dictates, PHP is probably best.... followed by ASP second... the
> others I will let alone for lack on not wearing my fame retardant clothing
> today...
>
> Dave hit it pretty much square in the nose...
>
> -paris
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 15:57
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: How much faster to develop in CF v PHP
>
>
>> Recently, though, the whole OS/Web world is in a state of (even more
>> than normal) change: .Net and Neo etc.
>
> Actually, I'd argue that things are changing a lot less rapidly now than,
> say, a couple of years ago. All this .NET and Neo stuff is (to slightly
> oversimplify things) just another way to write HTML-based CGI apps.
>
>> I'm rethinking the whole thing because Vbscript is going to be dead.
>
> Why do you say this? For what it's worth, the Visual Basic syntax isn't
> going anywhere anytime soon. No one writes VBScript to execute within a
> browser, but it's fine for other scripting uses on the Windows platform
> (ASP, WSH). Note that you can use JavaScript any place you can use VBScript,
> though, so I'd recommend using JavaScript instead, unless you are or intend
> to be a Visual Basic programmer.
>
>> My needs I guess are defined by keeping costs down and learning and
>> developing quickly. I was wondering if I should go for CF mainly and
>> learn a bit of PHP to go with it.
>
> Fortunately for you, you have an embarrassment of riches from which to
> choose. I'd recommend that you start with the one that someone'll pay you to
> use for development, whichever that may be. CF is, in my opinion, the
> easiest of all of them to learn and to become productive with, but none of
> them are especially hard, and they all work in essentially the same way.
>
> If this is your first foray into programming, you might find a
> general-purpose programming language to be a better choice, rather than CF,
> PHP or ASP (ASP isn't really a language, but I'll lump it in here anyway).
> I'd recommend Python for this - it's a free scripting language just like PHP
> and a bunch of others, you can use it for CGI programming as well as other
> programming tasks, it's easier to approach and use than Java, and it's a
> great introduction to programming in my opinion. (Of course, who am I to say
> - I mainly started programming with CF.)
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> phone: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
>
>
>
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