Hmm.. every code benchmark I've run says that MX (even in the debug/beta
stages) is faster than 5.. I'll try to post some benchmarking code when
I get the opportunity

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Billy Cravens

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX performance (was RE: CF MX)

Anything built on top of J2EE is going to be slower on a single machine.
If you are looking for a fast server-side scripting language, your
choices are PHP, CF 5, and a few niche players. If you don't mind buying
a bunch of machines than something based on J2EE would be the better
choice. CFMX fits in this category.

-Matt

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFMX performance (was RE: CF MX)
> 
> I for one find speed to be a major deciding factor, I really like that
it
> is
> J2EE compliant, buzzword, buzzword compliant, buzzword this, but I can
> tell
> all you Macromedia guys this, if  it isn't faster, I won't be able to
> upgrade here. It will be a customer relations nightmare, an app that
once
> performed blazingly fast now stalls left and right, I can't be having
> that,
> if I test out MX and it really is slower, I will have no choice, but
to
> invest my time and resources into another platform for the web that
does
> things faster. So whatever you do make this a priority, I am sure I am
not
> the only person who thinks this way, heck most of the arguments
between
> ASP
> and CF for the past 3 years has been that ASP is super fast and CF is
> super
> slow when in actuallity they are very close to each other. If MX is
that
> much slower a lot of us will not be able to fight the good battle
anymore
> in
> defending CF.
> 
> 
> Robert Everland III
> Dixon Ticonderoga
> Web Developer Extraordinaire
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:03 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFMX performance (was RE: CF MX)
> 
> 
> Jesse,
> 
> Yes, subsequent requests ARE faster than initial requests.  But I have
to
> say they are still painfully slow when compaired to CF 5. Slow enough
to
> be
> a non-starter for some of our aps. In addition, if you plan on selling
web
> services you already have a big latency problem that you are
constantly
> battling.  Anything time saved on the server greatly benefits the user
> experience - so this is a real issue for the "brave new world".
NET's
> CLR
> is blazingly fast at delivering web service content.  CFMX must
compete
> favorably with it to gain headway in the web services arena.
> 
> -mk
> 
> P.S. - yeah yeah, I know "it's not optimized".  But let's be honest,
as a
> rule, JSP is pretty doggy.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:39 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFMX performance (was RE: CF MX)
> 
> 
> Also think about the performance that you're seeing right now.
> 
> On first run, a CFMX page "compiles". The pages are no longer
interpreted
> on
> the fly. This means your initial "First Hit" is going to take a few
> seconds,
> but every request after this is going to much faster.
> 
> It's a complaint we've seen on the forums, Ie, "I just installed, why
is
> the
> admin so slow" the answer is simple, the admin is compiling itself for
the
> first time. If you hit the admin after the first time, you'll note
it's
> much
> snappier.
> 
> The "initial compile" bump is being examined and worked on, but it
does
> not
> change the fact that the pages are being COMPILED, not interpreted as
> presvious versions.
> 
> As for Matt's comment about JSP, this should not be the case in the
end. I
> know I for one want CFMX to be as fast, and faster still, then CF5.
This
> is
> our goal.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:39 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CFMX performance (was RE: CF MX)
> >
> >
> > > So, in a small company like mine, where I have maybe 5
> > > people using CF at once on an intranet application, (I
> > > also use CF from a shared host) there is no advantage
> > > to going to MX? I'm still waiting for a great reason
> > > to upgrade to CF 5.0.
> >
> > Sure, there are lots of reasons! They're not necessarily performance
> > reasons, though:
> >
> > 1. The ability to publish and consume web services,
> > 2. Verity K2 (since you're not even on CF 5 yet) is much
> > faster than the
> > previous version of Verity,
> > 3. A working Advanced Security interface for developers
> > (Sandbox security),
> > 4. Charting,
> > 5. and much, much more! CFCs, UDFs (again, since you're not
> > on CF 5) ...
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> > voice: (202) 797-5496
> > fax: (202) 797-5444
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

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