Well I am glad that you responded.  I know there are other methodologies out
there working for people, and I still say show me a better one and I will
jump right on board.

As to your comment about url variables and search engines, there is a
udf/custom tag called ses variables that will generate search engine safe
variables.  I have also written a UDF that allows you to encrypt your query
string, and be search engine safe.  You can find info on the SES stuff on
the fusebox.org site under resources, and you can get my urlEncrypt function
from my home page http://loathe.mine.nu.  I have a more updated one that a
gentleman named Lee Borkman added a hash/checksum to if your interested.

Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
Application Development
www.schoollink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Jennifer Larkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)


At 08:52 PM 4/29/02 -0700, you wrote:
> > Well, hi to you too Steve! What did they do, ring the alarm bell at
> > fusebox.org?
> >
>Now that's funny!

You two have been cracking me up for hours. And for the record, Matt's
being much less negative today than he is in the BACFUG list. Must be the
beer.

But seriously, I've gone through the documentation for FuseBox 2 and
FuseBox 3. I didn't see anything that would help me. That's not to say that
it wouldn't help other people. While some of the concepts have value, they
have more value if I tailor them to an implementation more appropriate to
the specific site I'm coding. In my opinion, it goes a little too far
trying to fix some simple problems. If I can make my code readable,
understandable, reusable, and portable while avoiding some of the
problematic things about FuseBox, that's what I'm going to do.

One thing that I think is problematic is the excessive use of URL
variables. I don't see how putting fuseaction=showhelpform in a url gives
me any advantage over having a showhelpform.cfm page to call in the URL.
Since we all know how URL variable friendly search engines can be, it gives
me an advantage to not use them. (And yes, I know about cgi.query_string;
unfortunately, it isn't available on some CF implementations and it's still
sometimes rejected by search engines.) Of course, I wouldn't actually have
a showhelpform.cfm page in one of my applications, because that isn't
something that the site user needs to know. I would instead have a help.cfm
page that would detect if the help form has been submitted and call files
accordingly.

The thing that people need to understand is that a single solution doesn't
solve every problem. You need to tailor solutions to problems in order to
get the greatest advantage. Standards are definitely a good thing. However,
there are an infinite number of things to be addressed by web applications,
some of them contradictory, and a single standard can not address all of
them.

Plus, I've seen some pretty poor implementations of fusebox. Of course,
list lurker and my ex-coworker Austin knows, we wanted to choke that
programmer long before he decided to use FuseBox (which he obviously didn't
understand).

Am I still the official Dave Watts groupie?

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